Plane Crash Survivor: Heaven/Hell Experience

[Toxick]

But the answer to his question is "yes", the cancer patient is "deader" than the accident victim

You do realize that I'm using the word "deader" simply as a convenience, right? I understand that death is a boolean condition.

I'm simply trying to determine if you folks do or do not believe that the "death" of a resuscitated individual experienced is the same as - or similar to - the "death" of an individual who remains in that state permanently.


I suppose my analogy was flawed. I should have said that we're both in identical car accidents. However, the dispatched ambulances reached you before me, and therefore their "Live Dammit" machines worked on you, while I lost the chance for resuscitation due to the longer wait for help...




But whatever. I guess I got my answer. I'm not really looking for a debate on the semantic and pedantic usage of "Death" vs. "Near Death".

 

[wxtornado]

I'm simply trying to determine if you folks do or do not believe that the "death" of a resuscitated individual experienced is the same as - or similar to - the "death" of an individual who remains in that state permanently.

To answer your question, no, I do not believe the experiences are the same. Similar-to or "near-death"? Perhaps, but nobody alive has a clue of what it's like to be dead. Do you remember any experiences before you were born? It's probably like that.

 

[tommyjones]

Actually, I think my concept is difficult for you to grasp. Actually, I think it's difficult for most to grasp. I honestly believe I died, was dead, and was sent back to continue my life for reasons beyond my own, and am now alive and thankful. Therefore, I see more options than you. I am not disrespecting anyone who has passed away. I know I will too cease to exist in this life. And that is perfectly okay with me. I also know that the reasons people pass away are varied and many, and the answer as to why they pass on while others live, well, I can give my opinions. Strong opinions, but nobody ever seems to really want to listen. However, I know more now than I ever knew before and I say things on death and the afterlife that I truly and sincerely believe in the fiber of my being. Things I never believed or even thought about before. I was dead, now I am alive, and I mean that on so many different levels. Yes I had a "near-death experience" but to me it was a real intense thing that will never leave me and using the words in quotes makes it seems like a trivial thing, when it totally changed who I am today from who I was before. I was reborn for lack of a better vocabulary to describe it all. So, to you attackers and nay-sayers, I can only say, until you die, you just will have no clue. And I hope you to get the opportunity to come back after death. It opens your heart in such profound ways.

again, i say that i had a similar awakening after my heartattack.

and you didn't die. dead is permanate. near death accurately describes your experience.

saying you died trivalizes actual death.

dead is dead.

alomst dead, isn't.

 

[Toxick]

The person who's kinda Dead has incoporated the external stimulas of either dying or the resucitation into the experience as a tunnel of light or whatever (i'm not trying to belittle anyones experience, just my opinion on it)

Beats me. I've never been there, nor anyone I know has been there, so everything I say is completely abstract.


IMO, I've had plenty of near death experiences (as in, if I had been just 1 inch to the right, that spike would have gone through my HEAD!) but no death, near-death or death-like experiences whatsoever.



Therefore any opinion I have on the subject means precisely dick.

 

[Radiant1]

IMO, I've had plenty of near death experiences (as in, if I had been just 1 inch to the right, that spike would have gone through my HEAD!) but no death, near-death or death-like experiences whatsoever.

That's more like a "could-have-been-dead" experience, not to be confused with the classic Raymond Moody -defined "near-death" experience.

 

[migtig]

again, i say that i had a similar awakening after my heartattack.

and you didn't die. dead is permanate. near death accurately describes your experience.

saying you died trivalizes actual death.

dead is dead.

alomst dead, isn't.

And I say you are trivializing my experience. My heart stopped beating, my brain function ceased, my lungs quit expanding on their own. I was dead and I am now alive, and you obviously have no clue of my experience. :shrug:

And to Nucklesack, I never saw a white light until they revived me, and then it was the emergency room round light shining in my face.

 

[Xaquin44]

And I say you are trivializing my experience. My heart stopped beating, my brain function ceased, my lungs quit expanding on their own. I was dead and I am now alive, and you obviously have no clue of my experience. :shrug:

And to Nucklesack, I never saw a white light until they revived me, and then it was the emergency room round light shining in my face.

well how long were you out?

I mean that happens to heart attack victims.

 

[wxtornado]

And I say you are trivializing my experience. My heart stopped beating, my brain function ceased, my lungs quit expanding on their own. I was dead and I am now alive, and you obviously have no clue of my experience. :shrug:

I would argue that you weren't actually dead, by definition. And that's a good thing!

 

[Xaquin44]

also, you weren't dead, you just weren't living as you usually do.

 

[tommyjones]

And I say you are trivializing my experience. My heart stopped beating, my brain function ceased, my lungs quit expanding on their own. I was dead and I am now alive, and you obviously have no clue of my experience. :shrug:

And to Nucklesack, I never saw a white light until they revived me, and then it was the emergency room round light shining in my face.

that still doesn't mean you died.

you were NEVER DEAD, if you were you would still be so.....

call it what it is, a near death experience.

I am not claiming to know anything about your experience other than you are alive now. that rules out you dying in the past

 

[Xaquin44]

that rules out you dying in the past

He could be Jesus.

We don't know.

 

[Kyle]

White lights... Tunnels.... voices... whatever!


If you didn't see Elvis, you ain't dead.

 

[Merlin99]

again, i say that i had a similar awakening after my heartattack.

and you didn't die. dead is permanate. near death accurately describes your experience.

saying you died trivalizes actual death.

dead is dead.

alomst dead, isn't.

Unless you stay dead, I don't think you're qualified to have an opinion.

 

[Baja28]

I died reading this thread.

 

[basher]

is Flatliners out on DVD?

 

[Xaquin44]

is Flatliners out on DVD?

Probably.

 

[Marie]

(Approx. 9 minute story)

YouTube - This man died...and returned..Heaven and Hell are real

Scripture says

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

And For Christians:
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Then we have the story of lazerus and the rich man.

LUKE 16:27 "Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'" (NKJV)

[SIZE=+1]LUKE 16:29 "Abraham said to him, 'They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.'" (NKJV) [/SIZE]

THE HUGE POINT HERE!
Is we have scripture, which contains all the divine revelation we need!
There is nothing anyone could come back with them that we need to know and dont already have. Although "90 minutes in hell" may be a great read for scaring one into a decision for Christ, and the Authur probably does believe his expirence to be true. God dosent need to do all this, he puts an effectual call on you, softening your heart, and you either submitt to his lordship or reject him.

 

[wxtornado]

Is we have scripture, which contains all the devine revelation we need!

Don't we have an ebonics thread you can take this nonsense to?

 

[Xaquin44]

Don't we have an ebonics thread you can take this nonsense to?

god was mary baby daddy

 

[Marie]

Don't we have an ebonics thread you can take this nonsense to?

Excuse me my English major friend, Since I am not divine I still make spelling errors