Police Militarization

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You're too easy Chris. I knew some cop hater would post this and am not suprised it was you! Here are a couple of facts for you though.

Those college kids were not sitting on a curb. They were blocking the road so the police could not leave with the people they had arrested.

EACH of the poor college kids, (who disrupted those students who were trying to actually learn) were warned numerous times and then individually that they would be pepper sprayed if they did not move. They chose to stay there. Not such a casual act if you spend a significant amount of time informing them what the plan will be!
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/uc-davis-pepper-spray-what-really-happened/

So you have these "students" surrounding the cops, restricting their movement and not allowing them to leave. Again, the pepper spray warnings given repeatedly then individually. Not so casual.
 
b23hqb

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itsrequired said:
You're too easy Chris. I knew some cop hater would post this and am not suprised it was you! Here are a couple of facts for you though.

Those college kids were not sitting on a curb. They were blocking the road so the police could not leave with the people they had arrested.

EACH of the poor college kids, (who disrupted those students who were trying to actually learn) were warned numerous times and then individually that they would be pepper sprayed if they did not move. They chose to stay there. Not such a casual act if you spend a significant amount of time informing them what the plan will be!
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/uc-davis-pepper-spray-what-really-happened/

So you have these "students" surrounding the cops, restricting their movement and not allowing them to leave. Again, the pepper spray warnings given repeatedly then individually. Not so casual.
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This may enlighten you a bit on the sequence of events and what the cops were tasked by the school to do (remove tents and any other makeshift structure):

http://daviswiki.org/November_18,_2011_UC_Davis_Police_Response_to_Occupy_UC_Davis

It was not a street - it is a pedestrian sidewalk on the Quad as they call it, from one location to another. A cop car just happened to be parked on it. It was not like the cops were surrounded or in any danger. The crowd was in a u-shape, with the area behind the cops open. And cop was suspended and quit/let go eight months later, UCD paid out over a $1,000,000 to settle a lawsuit for the students. Cop was so nonchalant in spraying these peaceful protesters he looked like he was spraying raid along the baseboards at home. On top of that, he gets a $38,000 workers comp settlement for "psychiatric damage" he brought on himself by his actions.

A real man was he.
 
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b23hqb said:
This may enlighten you a bit on the sequence of events and what the cops were tasked by the school to do (remove tents and any other makeshift structure):

http://daviswiki.org/November_18,_2011_UC_Davis_Police_Response_to_Occupy_UC_Davis

It was not a street - it is a pedestrian sidewalk on the Quad as they call it, from one location to another. A cop car just happened to be parked on it. It was not like the cops were surrounded or in any danger. The crowd was in a u-shape, with the area behind the cops open. And cop was suspended and quit/let go eight months later, UCD paid out over a $1,000,000 to settle a lawsuit for the students. Cop was so nonchalant in spraying these peaceful protesters he looked like he was spraying raid along the baseboards at home. On top of that, he gets a $38,000 workers comp settlement for "psychiatric damage" he brought on himself by his actions.

A real man was he.
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So what would you have done in that situation? You are responsible for your prisoner and they won't let you leave? What do you do?
 
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itsrequired said:
Do you have an example of police casually walking by and unloading pepper spray on college kids sitting on a curb? I have never seen or heard anything like that.
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I wish I knew more about how to use this forum, I like how you were able to change colors within my quote to address each point.

As for the pepper-spray incident, it looks like that was already provided above.

To my first point, I think you partially echoed my sentiment. The extraordinary circumstances such as the LA bank robbery are good examples of when this type of equipment and tactics are required. Dispersing protests or dealing with non-violent criminals is not.

As for the argument of using the equipment to justify having it, this harckens back to the DoD's Excess Property Program, which will provide you assets as long as you can justify their use. Here is a link with examples and the documents necessary to apply to the program (http://www.dps.mo.gov/dir/programs/cjle/dod.asp). The most important line is the following: "All items requested must be justified for use in a bona fide law enforcement mission or field activity". Which is why when a highschool in San Diego applies for and receives an MRAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP) for "student protection & rescue" (which really happened), they need to actually use it in a field activity to justify keeping it.

And to the last point, about illegal protests, we have been dealing with those since the birth of our country. If they are "illegal" (which I assume means the participants are breaking the law), then arrest the participants. If they get violent then subdue with adequate force. Again, I don't think the issue has ever been with the blatantly illegal/violent mobs and protests. The word militirization gets thrown about when the extreme methods are applied to the cases where it obviously isn't justified.
 
b23hqb

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itsrequired said:
So what would you have done in that situation? You are responsible for your prisoner and they won't let you leave? What do you do?
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"Our line that they pepper-sprayed was ... one-person-deep. One of the officers began to remove us physically without the use of weapons. And Lieutenant John Pike ordered them to stop, raising his pepper can and saying ... 'Leave them. I want to spray these kids.'"1 - William, eyewitness protester

I would not expect a LT (relatively high on the totem pole, right?) would be a bit more discerning that he would be videoed by who knows how many cameras, to spray them AFTER another officer had just peacefully removed one protester from the line. The only place the cops had to go through the line of sit-downs was straight into the main mass of people - pretty stupid or just looking for trouble. Again, the rear of the cops where the car was was, and remained, open. There was/were no protesters or observers blocking the cops from taking their prisoners that direction. Stupid overkill by Lt Pike.
 
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b23hqb said:
"Our line that they pepper-sprayed was ... one-person-deep. One of the officers began to remove us physically without the use of weapons. And Lieutenant John Pike ordered them to stop, raising his pepper can and saying ... 'Leave them. I want to spray these kids.'"1 - William, eyewitness protester

I would not expect a LT (relatively high on the totem pole, right?) would be a bit more discerning that he would be videoed by who knows how many cameras, to spray them AFTER another officer had just peacefully removed one protester from the line. The only place the cops had to go through the line of sit-downs was straight into the main mass of people - pretty stupid or just looking for trouble. Again, the rear of the cops where the car was was, and remained, open. There was/were no protesters or observers blocking the cops from taking their prisoners that direction. Stupid overkill by Lt Pike.
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:lmao: So the student protester said that so it must be true right? There was no rear of the cops. Did you watch the video? This was a one way in and a one way out.

How would you have moved the protestors? Hands on? What would the reaction of going hands on been? Why don't you lay any blame on people who willfully disobeyed the law? Are you one of those liberals who put blame on others when you do something wrong?
 
Hank

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GURPS said:
Tigga Please ..... just stop ... when was the last time a Police Officer was killed with an AK-47 in MD ? the US ?
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Who said that? The point of the picture was that people, including criminals are heavily armed, so naturally law enforcement must do the same as far as protection and weaponry.
 
Lurk

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itsrequired said:
Now I know why I had you on ignore. You can't read for sh*t. Go back to the fry bin, I think someone wants some with their big mac.
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You're the guy who said there were 2014 cops killed in answer to the question how many were killed with AK-47's. So how am I the problem (other than pointing out your idiocy consistently)?
 
stgislander

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Lurk said:
You're the guy who said there were 2014 cops killed in answer to the question how many were killed with AK-47's. So how am I the problem (other than pointing out your idiocy consistently)?
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:gossip: Pssst... I believe the original question was when was the last time... not how many?
 
Larry Gude

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It's an interesting question because 'militarization', acting like the military, just win, dominate, and get them before they get you, is no longer what we ask our military to do. We ask them to be 'cops', to finger print, to gather evidence, to put themselves at great risk patrolling and being seen. To interact with and get to know the locals, to move into neighborhoods. Make friends. To be what cops used to be.

And now, our cops are asked to, more and more, just win, dominate, get them before they get you.
 
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b23hqb said:
This may enlighten you a bit on the sequence of events and what the cops were tasked by the school to do (remove tents and any other makeshift structure):

http://daviswiki.org/November_18,_2011_UC_Davis_Police_Response_to_Occupy_UC_Davis
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Maybe this could enlighten you?

http://www.redstate.com/diary/paulkib/2011/12/07/uc-davis-pepper-spray-what-really-happened/

The group then marched en masse to the area where the students who had been arrested were being held and surrounded the police. The jeering mob attempted to “negotiate” with their hostages, saying they would allow the police to leave if they released the students who had been arrested.

At this point the situation had escalated far beyond a peaceful protest to an angry mob that was threatening the police. The officers were armed, but it was clear throughout the video that they had no desire to harm (or even arrest) the protesters. They waited an excruciatingly long time before they proceeded to use pepper spray on the students and continued to warn them of the consequences if they refused to move.
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http://www.davisenterprise.com/loca...epper-spray-incident-gives-cops-perspectives/

Quotes from 14 different campus police officers paint a picture of a very tense situation, in which many of those sent to oversee the removal of tents from the Quad became scared and nervous for their safety.

Concerns were voiced by many officers that the student protesters were turning aggressive.
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According the The Bee, Sgt. Danny Sheffield said, “
The tone of the crowd that, that turned into, frankly, a, a lynch-mob type mentality.
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They, they were trying to secure the release of the arrestees by holding us hostage. … There were two to three male subjects in the crowd that I directly observed pulling what appeared to be rocks out of their pockets and handing ‘em out to people.”

Describing the crowd’s demeanor, Officer Ruben Arias explained, “I was actually frightened. I was actually frightened in the sense of I didn’t know what this crowd was doing, what they’re capable of, and it wasn’t the peaceful crowd that everyone thought it was. They were really agitated.”
Other officers described being “nervous,” “surrounded” and “trapped.”
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Not a bunch of kids sitting on a curb huh?
 
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Lurk said:
You're the guy who said there were 2014 cops killed in answer to the question how many were killed with AK-47's. So how am I the problem (other than pointing out your idiocy consistently)?
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Back on ignore you will go.

Here is the question.

GURPS said:
Tigga Please ..... just stop ... when was the last time a Police Officer was killed with an AK-47 in MD ? the US ?
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Here is the answer!

itsrequired said:
Killed in the U.S? 2014.
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LibertyBeacon

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Describing the crowd’s demeanor, Officer Ruben Arias explained, “I was actually frightened. I was actually frightened in the sense of I didn’t know what this crowd was doing, what they’re capable of, and it wasn’t the peaceful crowd that everyone thought it was. They were really agitated.”
Other officers described being “nervous,” “surrounded” and “trapped.”
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The cops have the weapons and they are "nervous". Good one!
 
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