black dog
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He assaulted her as soon as he put his hands on her..
Police Officer arrests Nurse.
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He assaulted her as soon as he put his hands on her..
itsbob
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You mean AFTER he said you're under arrest and she resisted??
What is your definition of assault? I know the legal version; I just want to have a better understanding of yours.
Let me give you a shortcut to knowledge: she was assaulted by the detective. She also had her freedom of movement arrested. Neither is lawful.
Bob, he arrested her without cause. She was simply doing her job and complying with hospital regulations. Cop didn't like that, thought that he should be above the law, and took her down. Now you might think cops should go around arresting people for following the regulations of their job, but I do not.
Had she turned around and allowed herself to be arrested, that cop would STILL be in the wrong, and the police department would STILL be open to a lawsuit. Even without the video, the cop was still wrong and still overstepping his authority.
What should have happened is that the cop went and got a warrant. The reason he didn't is because there was no cause for him needing that blood sample. There has been no explanation that I've seen as to why he even asked for it, let alone demanded it, let alone assaulted and arrested a nurse who wouldn't give it to him. He thought he could bully this woman into compliance and now he gets to pay the price for that.
Did you see the video of him bragging how he'd get even with the hospital and his other remarks? Cop was in the wrong. He's a seriously bad cop. He needs to move on to other employment opportunities that are better suited to his temperament. The end.
On a related note, that "blue line" bull#### needs to stop. I get it - cops put their lives on the line, brotherhood, blah blah blah. But when you see your fellow police officer get out of control and overstep their authority, the smart thing to do for the whole law enforcement profession in this country is to set him down and bust him out. How are we supposed to trust our police officers knowing that they'll look the other way when one of their own is abusive and breaks the law? How can we trust them knowing that they will not protect us if the assailant is another cop?
NextJen
Raisin cane
Quick question for any legal scholars - When you are being placed under arrest, does the officer arresting you have to tell you what you are being arrested for?
In my casual view of the two videos posted of this incident, I don't recall hearing this nurse being told what she was being arrested for. I may have missed it.
In my casual view of the two videos posted of this incident, I don't recall hearing this nurse being told what she was being arrested for. I may have missed it.
Nah, he's just a runner up. The cop that killed that woman in Minnesota and his partner who won't come clean about what happened are this year's winners so far.
Dirty out of control cops hurt the whole profession. How do you turn a cop lover like me into someone who no longer has respect? #### like this.
Hijinx
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Innocent persons told they are under arrest for no reason will definitely shrink away fro the arresting officer.
They are in fricking shock.
When you are standing there innocent and pointing out facts and all of a sudden a cop grabs you and says you are under arrest. WTF do you think they will do?
They are in fricking shock.
When you are standing there innocent and pointing out facts and all of a sudden a cop grabs you and says you are under arrest. WTF do you think they will do?
black dog
Free America
Convicted by Social Media??? Not a chance, you do know that the police cruiser they put her in never left the hospital parking lot with her in it... She was released 20 min later when Officer Dumbass found out he was wrong. He also lost his second job for running off at the mouth with his interaction with the nurse.
dirty cops are par for the course .... institutionalized theft aka the DEA Forfeit Program
glhs837
Power with Control
Vrai, that video you refer to was not the officer who arrested the nurse. That was his LT, who was in command from outside. He claimed that this hospital was notorious for obstructing officers. He also admitted that maybe he screwed up when he told the SGT that they might have to get aggressive in obtaining the sample. And later he said that he found out that the hospital drew blood of it's own for it's own tests, effective locking in the BAC at that time, and had he known that, he would have called off his guy and just got a warrant to obtain some of that blood.
As to why she wasn't told what she was being arrested for? Simple, "Disrespectin mah authoritah" isn't really a charge.
None of which answers the question as to why they were so hot to get the blood from the victim, unless it was a prophylactic measure against a lawsuit resulting from the chase induced crash. "Well, yes our officers did continue a pursuit on a highway with no center barrier, your Honor, but if the alleged victim hadn't had .004 BAC, he could have avoided the flaming wreck so it's not our fault. Here's the department Impairment Expert to explain how that .004 could result in a .005 slower reaction time"
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That's simply not true. Good cops FAR outnumber the bad ones, not to mention DEA forfeit isn't even close to "theft". I'm not even sure why you would say something like that.
There in lies the crux of THEIR problem... They REFUSE to recognize or address it.
When they lose the trust of the law abiding public, they're done.
That's even worse.
Miss Jackie needs to get a handle on her police force and straighten them out or she can kiss her Mayor seat goodbye.
Forfeiture laws have been heavily abused and its' escalating in recent years. Citizens having property and $$ seized that have done nothing illegal, don't get charged or tried, and spend years and fortunes trying to get their property or money returned. Many times receiving only a portion and much of that eaten up by legal costs of forcing the return.
Why is it being abused you ask? Because it DIRECTLY benefits the law enforcement agency that seizes it.
Why is it being abused you ask? Because it DIRECTLY benefits the law enforcement agency that seizes it.
glhs837
Power with Control
Ah, but good cops who cover for bad cops, that number is way high, as you have noted yourself today. GURPs means the federal civil forfeiture program. Which is where they charge your property for a crime and take it, without even charging you. That's theft. And most of it is done under the DEA. Locals who don't have the authoritah to seize things arrest (seize) your stuff, then have the feds charge it with the crime of being the proceeds of criminal activity, then take the cash and sell the goods and keep the cash from that sale. And the feds kick back the majority of the cash to the locals.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...56bd5568db8_story.html?utm_term=.ebabbd3f758d
Yep. And it makes you wonder why they're so oblivious to this fact.
Like I said, I get it. I'm a law and order chick and many times cops will be accused of using "excessive force" and I'm like, what the hell was he supposed to do?? I know I wouldn't last one day as a cop because I'm pretty sure I'd bust a head during a routine traffic stop. I also wouldn't last one day because if I saw a cop breaking the law or abusing their authority, I'd bust them out in a second.
Cops with no integrity and no sense of public trust hurt the profession just as much as corrupt and abusive cops.
well there is that too .... corrupt cops review the Serpico story from the 1970's
have you been asleep the last few yrs - abuses in the DEA Forfeiture Program
it is not that the Gov has to prove you guilty, they take your stuff, you have to prove your innocence
[mostly cash - is not the result of you selling drugs]
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b23hqb
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Here's a new twist to the story:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ut...cond-job/ar-AArmuUP?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartandhp
Jeff Payne was terminated from his job at Gold Cross Ambulance service over comments he made while taking nurse Alex Wubbels into custody on July 26 which were captured on his body camera, Gold Cross president Mike Moffitt told Reuters.
Dude was moonlighting, and suggested that he would take certain people to one hospital and others to a better hospital. Hmmmmm.....
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ut...cond-job/ar-AArmuUP?li=AA4ZnC&ocid=spartandhp
Jeff Payne was terminated from his job at Gold Cross Ambulance service over comments he made while taking nurse Alex Wubbels into custody on July 26 which were captured on his body camera, Gold Cross president Mike Moffitt told Reuters.
Dude was moonlighting, and suggested that he would take certain people to one hospital and others to a better hospital. Hmmmmm.....
