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letmetellyou
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Why? I don't care who is searching me. If I don't want to be searched I won't buy a ticket.
Police State or something else?
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Why? I don't care who is searching me. If I don't want to be searched I won't buy a ticket.
MMDad
Lem Putt
This has nothing to do with a private business. This is a federal force acting under federal law. If I want to fly El Al, I am subject to their security that includes profiling and is very effective. Does that mean that I don't also have to be subjected to the federal government having some mouth breather inspect my bags for something they can steal? Of course not, since the TSA is not acting because the airline hired them to do so. TSA is funded by tax dollars. They are only acting because federal law requires it.
This isn't like a bar that hires an off duty cop to provide security. This is like the police stopping everyone leaving grocery stores and searching their bags in case they might find some stolen item. You would say "then don't go to stores. Stop eating, nobody is forcing you to eat."
This isn't about your right to the fourth amendment. This is about protecting my right to live. Your right to the fourth amendment was revoked when you purchased a plane ticket with a company who has the right to search. It doesn't matter who does the searching. You buy a ticket and use an airport under mandates to protect. You could always get your own plane with your own pilot and open yourself to those laws governing that process but honestly when you subject yourself to other's property (plane, airport, etc.) then you play by their rules of safety. It doesn't matter if you like it or not but my right to live shouldn't be in jeapordy because of the idiots who caused the mess in the first place or by you not wanting to play by the rules of the airport that you purchased a flight out of.
So we are back to if you don't like it you are free to travel by a different means. It's all about choices.
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letmetellyou
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That analogy is simply silly.
MMDad
Lem Putt
This isn't airline security, and it has nothing to do with your business transaction. The security is not there at the invitation of the airline, it is imposed by the federal government. Nobody is saying that you are not subject to the airlines own policies, and that you choose to abide by those when you buy a ticket.
The issue here is solely about a federal security force performing invasive searches without any probable cause to do so.
MMDad
Lem Putt
As is your private airline reasoning.
Because the federal government is constrained by the fourth amendment.
If you're afraid to fly the onus should be on you to give up flying, not on me to give up my rights.
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letmetellyou
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Then stop choosing to give up your rights. Drive where you want.
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letmetellyou
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And the government is not forcing you to do anything. It is not unreasonable to search someone who is getting on a plane when they know well ahead of time that if you are going to get on a plane you will have to be searched. If you choose not to fly the government is not going to stop you from leaving and search you.
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
But I'm not afraid of flying because there are sufficiant checks to protect passengers. I've been searched, even had to have my walking cast removed and checked, had a team determine my thousand dollar camera lens was just a camera lens but it was all in the name of safety and it didn't bother me one bit. I didn't mind because I knew everything would be okay and my flight was that much safer. I'm willing to go through what is required of me to keep the greater amount safe. I can't really understand why anyone wouldn't or why it's even made such a big deal out of. You're not at home where our rights are ensured. You're in an airport with any number of potential threats surrounding you and our nation.
It simply is what it is.
BOP
Well-Known Member
Your logic is seriously flawed. The security screeners are a federal government agency. Your logic only works if the airlines/airport hires the screeners.
What is the logical difference between this quote and yours?
There is nothing "perfectly reasonable" about this, it's cowardice on your part and nanny statism on the governments part.
And you think this is reasonable? You really don't deserve to have rights.
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letmetellyou
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Because you are entering property which is leased by the arilines and the airlines want to keep their passengers safe. It is their property you are entering, not the publics. You are paying for the privelege to enter their property.
Cowardice? haha...
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letmetellyou
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You're a bully. You don't deserve to have any rights. I am glad you live in Maryland where they will not allow you to carry a weapon.
You seem to be big on giving away rights, I'm going to guess that you're part of he problem.
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letmetellyou
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No, I did my time serving my country securing your rights. You are the problem.
A military installation isn't a public place, would you have an issue with a search requirement to enter a public library?