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T.Rally said:
yeah - kind of like back in the day when folks thought giving african american civil rights would be the end of the world to... they too used to be hated.
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Proudly Gay and Ordained?
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yeah - kind of like back in the day when folks thought giving african american civil rights would be the end of the world to... they too used to be hated.
Hessian
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OK..I have a genetic deformity...
As I have said before...I am red-green color blind (along with 6% of the rest of the men in America)....
Do I demand that I get accomodations? Do I scream "DISCRIMINATION!" at every stop light? Do I get a special parking space? Will the Government stop printing colored tax forms that offend me?
Screw it!
Gays have no right to claim genetic disorders when numerous attempts to "discover" it have fallen flat. I have a much more legitimate argument to force adaptions to fit my "world view." (There are far more colored Blind then gay!) I keep my "issue" to myself unless I have to apologize for clashing ties & standing in the wrong colored line. I don't make demands that the world accomodate me. My problem is not related to deviance, wild behavior, seduction---and yet these people still insist on special considerations, a day of silence in public schools, seminars to promote acceptance (not just tolerance). They promote bold faced lies regarding their numbers, aids, etc
and now they demand that churches accept their ordination as pastors/priests.
I don't care to bother God asking to be healed...(It can be entertaining!)
I ask others to excuse my mistakes when they happen (sometimes humorously).
Gays need to recognize they chose to be different...and if they want to stay that way: Don't demand that society accommodate & accept their choice.
They will be accepted if they renounce their ways, ask to be healed and recognize their position before Almighty God.
As I have said before...I am red-green color blind (along with 6% of the rest of the men in America)....
Do I demand that I get accomodations? Do I scream "DISCRIMINATION!" at every stop light? Do I get a special parking space? Will the Government stop printing colored tax forms that offend me?
Screw it!
Gays have no right to claim genetic disorders when numerous attempts to "discover" it have fallen flat. I have a much more legitimate argument to force adaptions to fit my "world view." (There are far more colored Blind then gay!) I keep my "issue" to myself unless I have to apologize for clashing ties & standing in the wrong colored line. I don't make demands that the world accomodate me. My problem is not related to deviance, wild behavior, seduction---and yet these people still insist on special considerations, a day of silence in public schools, seminars to promote acceptance (not just tolerance). They promote bold faced lies regarding their numbers, aids, etc
and now they demand that churches accept their ordination as pastors/priests.
I don't care to bother God asking to be healed...(It can be entertaining!)
I ask others to excuse my mistakes when they happen (sometimes humorously).
Gays need to recognize they chose to be different...and if they want to stay that way: Don't demand that society accommodate & accept their choice.
They will be accepted if they renounce their ways, ask to be healed and recognize their position before Almighty God.
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dems4me
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Hessian said:
Are you implying they should stay in a closet and be miserable just to make people like you comfortable? :shrug: They are who they are :shrug: Are you homophobic :shrug: Are you gay?
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K_Jo said:
he should be tenderhearted like me 
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dems4me said:
Boy! Was THAT a thread killer...
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K_Jo said:I thought it was funny, but I wanted to see if you stirred anyone up with it so I was hiding in the bushes, waiting.
I did hear a giant sucking sound of folks gasping...
2ndAmendment said:
What about some religions that claim to be Christian yet don't believe the bible is true, that is has mistakes in it? (check here: http://www.poemels.org/tracts/elselca.html)
T.Rally said:
It's the same regarding alcoholism. Alcoholics claim their fight is a disease. If its a disease, then is it something they are born with? Is homosexuality a disease? Or, is it something of a choice. You choose to drink or not to drink. You choose to like people of your same gender or not... Why? Only the person on the inside really knows for sure 'why'...
The question was at the beginning, Should outrightly gay people be ordained ministers? Should they be allowed to be gay in the church with their partner in a relationship dressed in clergy attire and yet forgiving you of your sins as ordained by God and the church, yet still gay themselves when God instructs us not to live in sin?
Bustem' Down
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Based on that yes. If a church allows it yes, if not no. If they start thier own all gay church fine. Methodists may not agree with some doctrine of Lutherans, but they don't deny each other the right of assigning people to the clergy. Basically it all depends on the doctrine of the idividual church until God comes down and tells us otherwise. I would never tell a Catholic preist that he shouldn't be ordained because I'm not of that faith. If it were a church I was going to, and my priest, rabbi, cleric, pastor or whatever came out, I would either ask for his resignation, or attend another church.trisha said:It's the same regarding alcoholism. Alcoholics claim their fight is a disease. If its a disease, then is it something they are born with? Is homosexuality a disease? Or, is it something of a choice. You choose to drink or not to drink. You choose to like people of your same gender or not... Why? Only the person on the inside really knows for sure 'why'...
The question was at the beginning, Should outrightly gay people be ordained ministers? Should they be allowed to be gay in the church with their partner in a relationship dressed in clergy attire and yet forgiving you of your sins as ordained by God and the church, yet still gay themselves when God instructs us not to live in sin?
You all will notice that all silly posts have been moved to the Chit Chat forum. I just realized we were in Religion and, as everyone knows, Religion is a no-tard zone.
Please direct your attention to the Chit Chat forum, unless you have something pertinent to add to this particular discussion.
Thank you and have a nice day.
Please direct your attention to the Chit Chat forum, unless you have something pertinent to add to this particular discussion.
Thank you and have a nice day.
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vraiblonde said:
Here's some of my daily devotions I thought I'd share
The Names of Christ* ~ T.C. Horton & Charles E. Hurlburt (Moody)
PHYSICIAN
And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself. (Luke 4:23)
Our Lord had been in Galilee. His fame had spread throughout that region. He had done mighty miracles. He came back home to Nazareth, where He had been brought up, and preached in the synagogue on the Sabbath Day from Isaiah 61:1-3, saying, "This day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears." The people who heard these words said, "Is this not Joseph's son?" Jesus quoted to them our verse, a proverb among the Jews. What a mistake they make. He was the Great Physician. He is the "Great Physician"—"Able to do exceeding abundantly above all we can ask or think." How few know Him as such a One! How few look to Him!
Lord, You who are the Great Physician; we look to You today to supply our every need. Amen.
http://www.intouch.org/myintouch/devotional/index_76096.html (Expressions of God's Fatherhood)
http://www.kcm.org/studycenter/devotional/f2f/index.php (He Really Does Care for You)
http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/odb/odb.shtml (Hurting and Hearing)
http://www.coralridge.org/nem/NEMdevotional.asp (He Didn't Lift Us Up To Let Us Down)
http://www.gospelcom.net/rbc/utmost/ (The Light That Never Fails)
http://www.bobgass.com/word/default.aspx (It's Okay, God Is with You!)
Today's Promise: http://promises.blueletterbible.org/
PHYSICAL AND SPIRITUAL HEALTH
April 22, 2005
Be Healed in Jesus' Name
...in My name....they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will get well.—Mark 16:17,18
There is abundant power in the name of Jesus, and we have been given the right to use that name.
We should speak the name of Jesus in faith against every kind of sickness, disease, and infirmity that arises. We should remember that the Lord gave it to us so we could walk in victory.
We are to pray in the name of Jesus. Prayer is our request—our petition—and the name of Jesus is what gets God's attention. When we pray in Jesus' name, we are presenting to the Father all that Jesus is and has done.
Sometimes we fall into the trap of just putting up with some physical problem, especially if it has been around a long time. We need to be reminded occasionally that there is healing available for us.
If you are sick, fighting any kind of an illness or disease, I encourage you to exercise your blood-bought right to use the name of Jesus against it. Each time you speak that name in faith, power is released.
Start exercising your right to use the name of Jesus against your problems, and believe they lose a little more of their power against you each time you speak that name.
Pray This: "Father, I thank You for giving me power for any situation in life through the precious name of Jesus. Amen."
Copyright ©1998-2003 Joyce Meyer Ministries. All rights reserved.
GOD'S WORD FOR GROWING IN PRAYER/Devotional Thoughts on Talking with God ~ Andrew Murray compilation (HumbleCreek)
PRAY AND PREVAIL
The earnest prayer of a righteous person has great power and wonderful results. James 5:16
When Israel had made the golden calf, Moses returned to the Lord and said, "Alas, these people have committed a terrible sin....But now, please forgive their sin—and if not, then blot me out of the record you are keeping" (Exodus 32:31-32). That was persistence. Moses would rather have died than not have his people forgiven.
When God had heard him and said He would send His angel with the people, Moses came again. He would not be content until, in answer to his prayer, God himself should go with them. God had said, "I will indeed do what you have asked" (v. 33:17). After that in answer to Moses' prayer, "Let me see your glorious presence" (v. 18), God made His goodness pass before him. Then Moses at once began pleading, "O Lord, then please go with us" (v. 34:9). "Moses was up on the mountain with the LORD forty days and forty nights" (v. 34:28).
Moses was persistent with God and prevailed. He proves that the person who truly lives near to God shares in the same power of intercession which there is in Jesus.
James teaches us to pray for each other. "The earnest prayer of a righteous person has great power and wonderful results." Praise God! He still wants for us to seek Him. Faith in a prayer-hearing God will make a prayer-loving Christian.
Thank You, Lord, for the examples in Scripture of men such as Moses.
May I learn from them that prayer accomplishes much. In Jesus' name, amen.
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*They will call on My name and I will answer them. (Zech. 13:9) ...this glorious and awesome name... (Deut.28:58) Excellent is Your name! (Ps. 8:1) Hallowed be Your name. (Matt.6:9) For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them. (Matt. 18:20) Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:20) ...the name which is above every name. (Phil. 2:9) —
And I say to them, they are not Christian. If any part of the Bible is not trustworthy, then none of it is and that includes the promise of salvation and eternal life through forgiveness through Jesus the Christ. The Bible even says that in the last days there will be those that reject sound teaching and seek teaching that seems right in their own eyes.trisha said:
I think a lot of pseudo-psycho diagnosis are just "feel good, your OK, I'm OK, nobody is at fault, feel good about yourself, increase your self esteem" junk. Drinking is a choice just like sexual partners and the choice to follow God's way or not. No one sits on your chest and pours alcohol down your throat.trisha said:It's the same regarding alcoholism. Alcoholics claim their fight is a disease. If its a disease, then is it something they are born with? Is homosexuality a disease? Or, is it something of a choice. You choose to drink or not to drink. You choose to like people of your same gender or not... Why? Only the person on the inside really knows for sure 'why'...
The question was at the beginning, Should outrightly gay people be ordained ministers? Should they be allowed to be gay in the church with their partner in a relationship dressed in clergy attire and yet forgiving you of your sins as ordained by God and the church, yet still gay themselves when God instructs us not to live in sin?
Back to the original topic of the thread, my answer remains, emphatically NO. Actively practicing homosexuals should not be ordained as ministers. I am not going to debate this again.
See my posts above regarding those seeking their own way and not believing the Bible.Bustem' Down said:
