Puppy Training

[TurboK9]

Having pee soaked paper laying around the house would be gross, and it would ruin things. And then to pick up the wet paper?

A Toy Rat Terrier pup or other small pup pees about a teaspoon. So you may want to tend to the pup more than once a month if they are 'soaking' the paper.

And, where do you get "laying around the house"?

Is it more pleasant to have to clean it out of the crate?

What exactly would it ruin? The linoleum or tile kitchen floor or laundry room floor?

I don't think you understand how this works.

 

[TurboK9]

Well, in that case, I switch my response to "get a real dog."


Just kidding, Bride2Be. Sorta.


And Turbo, I was looking at the list of animals at Tri County, and it looks like there's a couple dobies there....a pup and an adult. You should go get them.

I know. I can't. I have a... spousal agreement... no more dogs till the current two have crossed the bridge. I hate it. But I deal for the sake of marital harmony. And I feel like I'm being gutted with a rusty filet knife.

 

[nomoney]

Yeah. Or, the dog knows it gets praised for peeing or pooping on paper, and Oh yeah, and Elmer will ring a bell to go outside. That's simple too. Bring them to the door, make them ring the bell every time, then they go out. Pretty soon they pick up on ringing the bell to go out.

My new guys does the bell thing. Starting doing it at about 10 weeks all on his own. Guess he understood that every time the door opened for someone to go outside the bell would ring, he started ringing it on his own and now thinks its a trip to go ring the bell every 10 min just to see if we'll still jump to his call. Think he's trained us better then we've trained him now that I'm thinking about it.

 

[Cowgirl]

I don't think you understand how this works.

Is it your habit to tell everyone who disagrees with you they don't understand?

And what's the difference in cleaning pee papers up from a floor or cleaning pee out of a crate? Not much. Only eventually the pup in the crate will be able to hold it and not pee in the crate anymore. The dog in the kitchen or mudroom will continue to pee because there's plenty of room to move away from it.

I had a roommate once who had a chi/rat terrier mix. The dog was 2 years old and still peeing in the house because she paper trained it...only the dog then decided it could just pee wherever it wanted instead of on the paper.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

I don't think you understand how this works.

I have a small breed dog that I got at 8 weeks old. I potty trained him outside, not inside on papers and it worked for me. I'm saying I would never have a dog of mine purposely pee on a paper or pad inside my home. It just grosses me out.

 

[cattitude]

My new guys does the bell thing. Starting doing it at about 10 weeks all on his own. Guess he understood that every time the door opened for someone to go outside the bell would ring, he started ringing it on his own and now thinks its a trip to go ring the bell every 10 min just to see if we'll still jump to his call. Think he's trained us better then we've trained him now that I'm thinking about it.

Bell ringers here but they were also crated when they were pups. Does wonders for more than potty training. Mine didn't "live" in their crates. If I was in the shower, they were in the bathroom with me..if I was getting dressed, etc. they were on their leash in the same room. They key is to PREVENT them from making bad choices...which can become habits.

 

[jp2854]

MY dog was crate trained she never had an accident in it as if we were home and in bed and heard her whine we would get up as quick as we could and get her outside. We also were never gone 10hrs a day and she was never in the crate more than 6hrs at night as my stepfather is an early riser. Once in a while during the day she would be in it for the max of 3hrs. We always made sure she went out right before we left and we would walk her til she pottied then bring her back in and in the crate she went. Since I have the joys of bringing my dog to work with me she is with me most of the time. When she turned one we stopped using the crate and she hasn't had a single accident she wakes me if she has to go potty by giving me slobbery kisses and whining at the same time. I get up and get her out asap she does her business then we come back in and she is good to go for a couple of hours.

 

[TurboK9]

Is it your habit to tell everyone who disagrees with you they don't understand?

And what's the difference in cleaning pee papers up from a floor or cleaning pee out of a crate? Not much. Only eventually the pup in the crate will be able to hold it and not pee in the crate anymore. The dog in the kitchen or mudroom will continue to pee because there's plenty of room to move away from it.

I had a roommate once who had a chi/rat terrier mix. The dog was 2 years old and still peeing in the house because she paper trained it...only the dog then decided it could just pee wherever it wanted instead of on the paper.

Yes?By that time if you've done it right he's already peeing outside or having accidents at the door, if he has 'em. Not because she paper trained it, because she did something wrong. I have been paper training for 30 years and NEVER had that kind of problem. Besides, that is one of those small dogs. Tell her to get a real one.

Again, remember, I'm talking about a fairly specific set of circumstances. If you can be around enough to limit accidents, crate training does great and I have used it myself to retrain. So I'm kind of wondering why you are still debating me here.

 

[RoseRed]

MY dog was crate trained she never had an accident in it as if we were home and in bed and heard her whine we would get up as quick as we could and get her outside. We also were never gone 10hrs a day and she was never in the crate more than 6hrs at night as my stepfather is an early riser. Once in a while during the day she would be in it for the max of 3hrs. We always made sure she went out right before we left and we would walk her til she pottied then bring her back in and in the crate she went. Since I have the joys of bringing my dog to work with me she is with me most of the time. When she turned one we stopped using the crate and she hasn't had a single accident she wakes me if she has to go potty by giving me slobbery kisses and whining at the same time. I get up and get her out asap she does her business then we come back in and she is good to go for a couple of hours.

How are those hotspots?

 

[TurboK9]

Bell ringers here but they were also crated when they were pups. Does wonders for more than potty training. Mine didn't "live" in their crates. If I was in the shower, they were in the bathroom with me..if I was getting dressed, etc. they were on their leash in the same room. They key is to PREVENT them from making bad choices...which can become habits.

Ahhhh OK, you all aren't thinking I'm dissing crates are you? (If so, stop being silly. I crates. I think some people overdo it (Harley) but they are a tool and good for doggy when properly utilized. So no, I'm not dissin' crates.

 

[jp2854]

How are those hotspots?

shes going to the vet at noon today to get meds.

 

[TurboK9]

MY dog was crate trained she never had an accident in it as if we were home and in bed and heard her whine we would get up as quick as we could and get her outside. We also were never gone 10hrs a day and she was never in the crate more than 6hrs at night as my stepfather is an early riser. Once in a while during the day she would be in it for the max of 3hrs. We always made sure she went out right before we left and we would walk her til she pottied then bring her back in and in the crate she went. Since I have the joys of bringing my dog to work with me she is with me most of the time. When she turned one we stopped using the crate and she hasn't had a single accident she wakes me if she has to go potty by giving me slobbery kisses and whining at the same time. I get up and get her out asap she does her business then we come back in and she is good to go for a couple of hours.

So you are saying the time the dog was left in the crate was very limited. Exactly my point. Thank you for reinforcing it.

 

[cattitude]

Ahhhh OK, you all aren't thinking I'm dissing crates are you? (If so, stop being silly. I crates. I think some people overdo it (Harley) but they are a tool and good for doggy when properly utilized. So no, I'm not dissin' crates.

No, I actually thought we were all answering the OP?

Most people use the crate as a tool, just like you use paper as your tool. There is improper use with both. I've seen a house with paper trained (large) adult dogs. DISGUSTING.

 

[PrepH4U]

MY dog was crate trained she never had an accident in it as if we were home and in bed and heard her whine we would get up as quick as we could and get her outside. We also were never gone 10hrs a day and she was never in the crate more than 6hrs at night as my stepfather is an early riser. Once in a while during the day she would be in it for the max of 3hrs. We always made sure she went out right before we left and we would walk her til she pottied then bring her back in and in the crate she went. Since I have the joys of bringing my dog to work with me she is with me most of the time. When she turned one we stopped using the crate and she hasn't had a single accident she wakes me if she has to go potty by giving me slobbery kisses and whining at the same time. I get up and get her out asap she does her business then we come back in and she is good to go for a couple of hours.

Great now that the resident dog expert has responded we can all rest easy. :whew:

 

[TurboK9]

I have a small breed dog that I got at 8 weeks old. I potty trained him outside, not inside on papers and it worked for me. I'm saying I would never have a dog of mine purposely pee on a paper or pad inside my home. It just grosses me out.

Are you a fecalphobe?

New term coined by Turbo.

 

[ICit]

So you are saying the time the dog was left in the crate was very limited. Exactly my point. Thank you for reinforcing it.

but she is home with the dog almost all day... unlike most of us :shrug: (did you forget this?)

Now when I was crate training my pups.. as I have a Full time job and cant be home like most normal people (and most are not luck to have someone home durning the day)..... I would come home at lunch to let them out ..or my friend would come by to let them out.... House/crate trainining was great! Only had one hard headed dog.. but broke her of that buy teaching her it was not fun to sit in pee.. ... only took one time for her to pee after her afternoon break... she was good to go after that

(now mind you... she held it all night.. while sleeping outside of a crate.. so I know she could hold it for 4hrs)

 

[ICit]

Great now that the resident dog expert has responded we can all rest easy. :whew:

 

[lnmarsh]

IMO, it's best to teach dogs it's never ok to potty indoors. Can't get simpler than that.

Exactly! When I got my dog he was 6 weeks. I bought him a small crate which I kept lined with Puppy Pads. He was only in the crate when my entire family was away from home and while we were sleeping until he was potty trained. The last person to leave the house in the mornings put him in the crate, the first person home took him outside. We didn’t scold him for messing on the Puppy Pads while he was locked up, only when he messed on the carpet, etc (didn’t happen often). We’d praise like crazy when he did his business outside. He learned quick: Puppy Pads = OK in a pinch. Carpet = BIG no no. Grass = lots of “good boy!”’s and lovin

Now he dosnt use a bell or anything. When he has to go outside he just sits by the top of the basement stairs. If no one noticed him, he’ll come lay his head in your lap, nudge you, etc. until you say the magic words “Wanna go outside?” Then the happy dance begins

But then again, my dog is smart

There you go thinking you know everything about dogs again!

OMG I about died when I read this. Sorry Turbo you know I luv you but I definitely cracked up at Cowgirl’s comment

 

[TurboK9]

No, I actually thought we were all answering the OP?

Most people use the crate as a tool, just like you use paper as your tool. There is improper use with both. I've seen a house with paper trained (large) adult dogs. DISGUSTING.

Oh god no. uke:

A couple years ago my wife was in MN visiting family and I was left by myself with the dogs. They both had picked up hookworm and I didn't know yet. Came home from a 12 hour day and there was nasty diarhea all over the kitchen floor. Both dogs. Hey, at least they kept it off the carpet... Took a LOT of effort not to uke:. Nasty nasty. But, of course I knew right away there was a problem and treated 'em same day. All was well in the end. House smeleld for 2 days though.. the stink clung to the walls I swear. Everything got wiped down with bleach, even the ceilings, LOL.


I think the only other 'accident' was one time when Gazelle barked at a kid in the yard and a piece of poo the size of a golfball popped out her butt and flew across the room. I looked at April and she says "I think she needs to go out." We still laugh about that. Kind of like the doggy version of a cough/fart/sneeze I guess.

 

[Cowgirl]

I think the only other 'accident' was one time when Gazelle barked at a kid in the yard and a piece of poo the size of a golfball popped out her butt and flew across the room. I looked at April and she says "I think she needs to go out." We still laugh about that. Kind of like the doggy version of a cough/fart/sneeze I guess.