Redskings vs. Patriots

Pete

Repete
...right because, as good as Indy is, the Pats are just lethal.

My fear is demoralization at Redskin Park; The injuries, Jason's inexperience, Portis and Moss, the super star leaders, and their poor play. They know now, we all do, that the Skins simple struggle with poor teams and can't give a good team even a bit of a run for their money because we just aren't above average in the NFL right now. I mean, last year, we did at least compete with the eventual champs, Indy.

I think they have been demoralized since the Giants wore them out in the second half. They have no fire at all. Like football zombies. I am not so sure about Campbell. I wonder if the "poise" everyone says he has is not misdiagnosed daft. I don't think he is all there.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I think...

I think they have been demoralized since the Giants wore them out in the second half. They have no fire at all. Like football zombies. I am not so sure about Campbell. I wonder if the "poise" everyone says he has is not misdiagnosed daft. I don't think he is all there.

...his poise is fine.

Swap him with Brady and see how Jason does throwing to Welker, Holmes and Moss behind a solid, healthy line.

And see how Brady does behind a crippled line that can't stop a guy like Vrable even with a double team.

Portis is obviously hurt. He doesn't have his burst. Santana Moss is hurt. ARE is slowed some and besides, even healthy, you want Stallworth and their Moss or our Moss and ARE?

We are hurt AND simply do not have the horses as WR.
 

Ponytail

New Member
anyone who objectively looked at the match up
The Pat turned it up on Dallas and Dallas has a much more efficient offense then the Skins. Without an offense to keep the NE off the field you had to know they were going to eat up the Skins D. The Skins D is good, not great. The Pats are just very efficient. One of the common themes on how the Skins would defeat Brady and the Pats offense was that they would punish them - right, these are pros, if hitting them was the key to slowing NE down don't you think other teams would have done that.

Ed Zachery. The skins looked laughable against the Pats. Crap, the 'skins made the Eagles look good against the Pats. And the Eagles are not a good team, by any means. I did expect the Skins to do better. They just never seemed to wake up. It honestly looked like thes 'skins were in slow motion the entire game, 'cept for the last few minutes of each half. What was THAT about? Why the intesity JUST before the end of the 2nd and 4th quarter. THAT's the intesity that should have been there for 4 quarters, not 4 minutes.

Sorry folks, but I do believe the Super Bowl trophy has been awarded. Yes, the season is far from over. And it IS going to be a LONG season, unless you are a Pats fan.:pete:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
No...

One of the common themes on how the Skins would defeat Brady and the Pats offense was that they would punish them - right, these are pros, if hitting them was the key to slowing NE down don't you think other teams would have done that.

...it does work. NE physically beat up Indy and their smaller WR's, especially Harrison, for years. Welker got up slow a couple times but Stallworth and Moss are not little guys. And we hardly laid a hand on Brady.

A plan, even the best one, and execution are two different things.
 

mainman

Set Trippin
...his poise is fine.

Swap him with Brady and see how Jason does throwing to Welker, Holmes and Moss behind a solid, healthy line.

And see how Brady does behind a crippled line that can't stop a guy like Vrable even with a double team.

Portis is obviously hurt. He doesn't have his burst. Santana Moss is hurt. ARE is slowed some and besides, even healthy, you want Stallworth and their Moss or our Moss and ARE?

We are hurt AND simply do not have the horses as WR.
Speaking of Vrabel... How is it, when he comes in the game on offense, they ignore him??? You know what he's gonna do, you know what the play is gonna be..

10 catches................10 Touchdowns....
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Portis is obviously hurt. He doesn't have his burst.

Listened to Jacoby this morning. He says Portis is running tentatively..carrying the ball differently, since he fumbled in three consecutive games...and that this makes him run more deliberately and not with 'abandon' as he has done in the past. He may well be hurt but they dismissed that theory somewhat because he has been blocking very well. Who knows..
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Mike Vrable...

because he has been blocking very well. Who knows..

....might have a different take on that. CP put a shoulder into him and Vrable just went right through him one time and another time he was on the end with Wade and WENT BEHIND Wade to get Wades man and let his own go.

Hurt or not, he is not playing very well.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
...his poise is fine.

Swap him with Brady and see how Jason does throwing to Welker, Holmes and Moss behind a solid, healthy line.

And see how Brady does behind a crippled line that can't stop a guy like Vrable even with a double team.

Portis is obviously hurt. He doesn't have his burst. Santana Moss is hurt. ARE is slowed some and besides, even healthy, you want Stallworth and their Moss or our Moss and ARE?

We are hurt AND simply do not have the horses as WR.
It's a team game and the NE organization does a terrific job of finding the right players and preparing them. PERIOD. Before you go knocking Brady down in defense of Campbell just remember, he has done this before, each time with a different group of recievers. Those recievers were not stars before the got to NE and some aren't stars after they leave - it's the system and Brady plays it to a T. Campbell may or may not thrive in that system but you will never know.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That's easy to...

Speaking of Vrabel... How is it, when he comes in the game on offense, they ignore him??? You know what he's gonna do, you know what the play is gonna be..

10 catches................10 Touchdowns....

...say, 10/10 and I agree; Marcus just gave him the 'ole treatment BUT, 10/10out of how many downs has he played offense on the goal line? If they run, what, maybe 2-4 plays a game inside the 5 since his first TD in 2002 so, we're looking at maybe 2-300 plays. It's not like it's an automatic. The thing that bothers me is ever letting a QB run it in. You KNOW he's getting the ball on every play.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Time Out...

It's a team game and the NE organization does a terrific job of finding the right players and preparing them. PERIOD. Before you go knocking Brady down in defense of Campbell just remember, he has done this before, each time with a different group of recievers. Those recievers were not stars before the got to NE and some aren't stars after they leave - it's the system and Brady plays it to a T. Campbell may or may not thrive in that system but you will never know.

...I am not knocking Brady AT ALL. The guy has proven himself just as you say over time. All I argue is that Campbell's problem, to me, isn't composure. But if you think Brady, or Manning or Johnny U would have 30 TD's and be 8-0 with our offense, I disagree wholeheartedly. We'd be better with him than Campbell yesterday but we still would have gotten killed; Tom Brady didn't play alone.
 

Ponytail

New Member
... Tom Brady didn't play alone.

100% correct. This team is a powerhouse right now. They are set, or it would seem, to be a powerhouse for quite some time. The one thing with that team that I am thoroughly enjoying, is the strength of play from Randy Moss. He is only one of many weapons, but dayum, what a player that guy has proven to be...when he is happy.

It's also fascinating to me, that Brady can find any one of the many weapons on the field, and that he has multiple targets on every play. The guys are getting open, and Brady knows their routes. He knows where each one of them is going to be.

I don't think that there is another QB in the league right now that is as relaxed as Brady. Total team confidence all the way around. It is MUCH fun to watch.
 

theArtistFormerlyKnownAs

Well-Known Member
I don't think that there is another QB in the league right now that is as relaxed as Brady. Total team confidence all the way around. It is MUCH fun to watch.

Yeah...it was nearly making me sick watching him not even breaking a sweat...


the Pats have an entire team (at least it would seem) of players that know how to play ball. They just did everything so fluidly. That i believe will be the key to beating them though, is breaking up that fluidity. You could see Brady get VERY frusterated when even the simplest thing went wrong. ie: delay of game, throw into the dirt, ect. The team that breaks up his flow effectively will beat them.


and i agree with larry.
wtf is up with letting the QB run it in? i mean...its ONE thing right on the 2- yd line...but from 5+ out especially...unacceptable.

AND we let them get a score on that dam fake spike. I saw it MILES away and they still managed to get it in. If the skins were really ready for that (which is what the announcer claimed) then it was poor execution.


Good news is...

this counts the same as a 14-7 loss :yay:


AS LONG AS

the skins don't let it get to them mentally.
 

nachomama

All Up In Your Grill
It's up to the coach. They have 4 full quarters of film to watch to either learn from, or dwell on. There were mistakes made both on the field and off. 'sup to the coach.

Cooley was on DC101 this morning and made the comment that Greg Williams said yesterday that they may NOT even watch tape from the game. :shrug:
 
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