Remember Discussing Smart Meters?

[migtig]

And many of us were totally against it. Then we had the install discussion about the Energy Smart things SMECO was sticking on people's furnaces and attaching to their houses and in some cases, damaging siding and such? After all it's our home and SMECO has no "right" to install a anything on our property without permission, right?

That's not the case everywhere in the US.

Naperville smart meter arrest - chicagotribune.com

Excerpt:
Stahl, who was released from custody about 4:30 p.m., said when she refused the smart meter, installers accompanied by police cut the bicycle lock she had placed on her fence and entered her backyard. She then stood in front of her electric meter and refused to move.

“It was forced on my house today,” she said. “It was really a violation. I violated something, but I’ve been violated too so I guess we’re now in a society of violating one another.


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So I guess we don't have a say about our property.

 

[Lurk]

And many of us were totally against it. Then we had the install discussion about the Energy Smart things SMECO was sticking on people's furnaces and attaching to their houses and in some cases, damaging siding and such? After all it's our home and SMECO has no "right" to install a anything on our property without permission, right?

That's not the case everywhere in the US.

Naperville smart meter arrest - chicagotribune.com

Excerpt:
Stahl, who was released from custody about 4:30 p.m., said when she refused the smart meter, installers accompanied by police cut the bicycle lock she had placed on her fence and entered her backyard. She then stood in front of her electric meter and refused to move.

“It was forced on my house today,” she said. “It was really a violation. I violated something, but I’ve been violated too so I guess we’re now in a society of violating one another.

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So I guess we don't have a say about our property.

There was an article in the past week or so in the Independent stating that SMECO was not going to be installing smart meters any time soon because a court case went against them in Maryland. Seems they cannot force you to accept a smart meter on your home.

 

[bcp]

BG&E put one on my house,
I called them and told them to come take it back off.
The old one was back on in just a matter of days.

 

[Lurk]

Why?

Smart meters are the first inroad into your home for the Smart Grid project the liberals are trying to deploy. The Smart Grid concept, among other nefarious things, allow someone in power cough-cough Obama cough-cough to shut off the electricity selectively to any home or neighborhood he pleases for any reason he can pull out of his a$$.

 

[bcp]

Smart meters are the first inroad into your home for the Smart Grid project the liberals are trying to deploy. The Smart Grid concept, among other nefarious things, allow someone in power cough-cough Obama cough-cough to shut off the electricity selectively to any home or neighborhood he pleases for any reason he can pull out of his a$$.

not only that but once its in full force, the electrical signatures of the equipment in the home can be detected and used to determine when you are home or not, or in the shower or cooking, running the a/c and even if you have an alarm system that is set or not.

but, besides all that, obama and owemalley think they are a good idea, so they have to be bad for the country.

 

[Lurk]

So why can't they figure that out with inline smarts on the feeder lines?
As for figuring out what is on in your house, the meter is not going to stop that. As long as you are on the grid, your device has a signature. If you are that darn important, then they will figure out away to get you.

I think they will figure out ways to charge you more for peak usage times and less in non-peak usage times.

I would rather have some computer reading my meter than some stranger stopping by and casing my house every month.

So far the only valid point as to why not I seen so far is that Obama and O'Malley are supporting it.

From the points you make, I would surmise you also believe the mileage tax is a good idea too.

 

[somdfunguy]

I support you in learning how to type.

 

[vince77]

You are confusing the smart meter with meters that regulate the air conditioner. Different beast. BGE just installed a smart meter at my house. It allows the meter to report info back to HQ so they do not have to send a driver out to physical read a meter.

Sounds like some of the meters are defective and can cause fires. I would be more concern about your credit card, internet provider and cable company about collecting person info than the electric company.

exactly, my understanding is the purpose of this it simply allows the meter to report info back to HQ so they do not have to send a driver out to physical read a meter. You'll always have the choice of having it installed or not however those homes that don't have it installed will pay a service call fee to have your meter read eventually on top of your electric bill.

 

[migtig]

You are confusing the smart meter with meters that regulate the air conditioner.

No. No I'm not. Two different conversations. But with both, the majority agreed they were both bad.

And many of us were totally against it. Then we had the install discussion about the Energy Smart things SMECO was sticking on people's furnaces and attaching to their houses and in some cases, damaging siding and such?

Should I have typed "AND" for you?

Or can you not understand we on this forum had two different conversations based on the same thing?

No business should have the right to install anything on your property without your permission.

 

[migtig]

Please explain why they were both bad? .

Do a search and find your own answer. I'm not your search engine. The whole thing has been covered before.

I only posted the tread because it pertains to previous discussion topics and now it's a matter of your personal property rights not about the meters anymore.



Really could you be any more ignorant? First you saying I'm the one confused and now you want me to come to your computer and click "search" for you. I swear, next I'm going to find out you are on Match.com and are a murder.

I'm starting to thing the idiots on here are multiplying. Annoying as crap.

 

[somdfunguy]

One other area that is of interest to me is that I know some people that have energy sources (like solar) that actually puts energy back on the grid how does the Smart Meters handle that?

im sure it is smart enough to figure it out

 

[Salvador]

Put me on ignore if you don't like what I have to say. You make a statement, "Smart Meters are bad" back it up. It is obvious that you are too lazy to and just want to spout.

I usually post references and links to the things I post. No need for you do to a search, just to backup what you say.



You brought 3 issues up, Against Smart Meters, the appliance regulating device and private property.

Are you just spouting or are you offering to discuss it. You started this thread.

Do you speak like you type, Troll?

 

[bcp]

since it is constantly broadcasting, just cover it with foil a few times a day for an hour or so, it will trigger an equipment failure back at the utility company and they will have to send someone out to check on it.
of course, when they get there you dont have foil on it so they find nothing wrong,, then as they leave, run out and start over.

get your monies worth out of them


by the way, many people that had them installed have seen their bills go up almost double. The power company says its because the old meter was not accurate.

 

[GURPS]

since it is constantly broadcasting, just cover it with foil a few times a day for an hour or so, it will trigger an equipment failure back at the utility company and they will have to send someone out to check on it.

why not use power lines to communicate instead of wifi

interesting .....

 

[bcp]

why not use power lines to communicate instead of wifi

interesting .....

because the idea is that it communicates with your neighbors meters too, it then compares usage and averages out specific areas letting the power company know when power drops can be acceptable.
and, in order to create their own network, they are setting up receivers in various locations to pick up the meters information and transmit it back to the main office.
hard line would make it easier to disable, and using existing wifi would require paying useage to whatever internet provider covers the area in question.

so, tin foil it off and on and trigger repair tickets. burn up their man hours and make it look like the meters are not worth keeping.

 

[bcp]

If the meters are addressable, it seems to not make sense to use wifi when the infrastructure is on the line.

What kinda range do these meters have? My guess is it sends it though the power line.

Collectors
Each day, this hourly information is sent by wireless connection or through telephone or power lines to a data collector located in your neighbourhood.

How Your Smart Meter Works

You bold one, I will bold the other.
which one is used on my home? (since you seem to have inside information)

 

[bcp]

So if it is wireless, what technology is it using - cell? Where are the receivers located?

really??? with wireless today you have to ask this???
what if their wireless is propriatary and the units talk to each other and report to a universal contact point

to get accurate reading through the existing lines would require extra unused pairs of wires.. are those out there already? do I have pairs of wires that are not used for them to hook up and down load this information from>

 

[czygvtwkr]

really??? with wireless today you have to ask this???
what if their wireless is propriatary and the units talk to each other and report to a universal contact point

to get accurate reading through the existing lines would require extra unused pairs of wires.. are those out there already? do I have pairs of wires that are not used for them to hook up and down load this information from>

No, just like DSL over the phone line the signal would be a different frequency than the frequency of the power and the two different frequencies would be separated via a discriminator back at the host site.

 

[czygvtwkr]

not only that but once its in full force, the electrical signatures of the equipment in the home can be detected and used to determine when you are home or not, or in the shower or cooking, running the a/c and even if you have an alarm system that is set or not.

but, besides all that, obama and owemalley think they are a good idea, so they have to be bad for the country.

This is horse ####, there is very little that can be figured out by power being drawn from a source beyone how much power it uses, certianly not enough to tell if my TV or my Wii is on. And even this could be masked easily enough.

 

[czygvtwkr]

But what about the alum. foil?

Aluminum isn't the best blocker of RF signals, expecially that thin. If I were to do this I would look for some copper or another high moleculear weight metal. A jammer would be much more effective, chances are SMECO would never be able to figure that out.