Roe gone; is same-sex marriage next?

[BOP]

Except for the 8 TRILLION with a “T” the bouffanted buffoon spent in deficit spending alone.

Yeah, how strange is it that President Trump was able to do that when he had not only a non-compliant Congress, but one where the vast majority of whose members were actively hostile toward him, and did everything in their power to thwart him at every turn? That's some sort of Christmas miracle, right there.

I mean, you did know that Congress controls the purse strings for the national budget, did you not? Which means that the President can't spend money unless Congress agrees, approves, and allocates that spending, right?

 

[Kinnakeet]

THIS - exactly. There are many religions that teach that homosexuality is without question, sin. And this HAS been a complaint, from churches, that they would be compelled by the government to perform a ceremony totally against their beliefs.

Whenever people come up with these hair-brained schemes, I always ask - "try it with the Muslims".
Because they'll hand you your ass - and I do mean literally.

How did adam and eve not commit incest with their kids,and why is there no mention of the dinosaurs in the bible these are questions religious people cannot or will not answer

 

[BOP]

#2 - Wow - does that take me back to the cult days, and you and I have observed, die-hard lefties behave MUCH MORE like a cult than anything else. Left-wing politics has supplanted religion in their lives, but they approach things much as cultists do.

When I was in - sooner or later in our evangelistic efforts, we'd meet someone who was a lot more knowledgable in the Bible or theology - or at least, knew THEIR religion extremely well. This kind of thing even happened - WITHIN the church, where there were disagreements. And without fail, there were a lot - actually, I'd say MOST - who went to someone they regarded as more knowledgable to beg for ANYTHING they could use to counter what they'd heard.

I've grown since then and have learned I'm not even a hundredth as smart as I think I am - but back then, I would take NO ONE'S word at face value. I was never going to go to my religious leader for answers - I was going to look them up myself, if I had to read Augustine or Aquinas or Luther or even go back to Origen or any of the Ante-Nicene Fathers for arguments. A little arrogant, but I rarely regarded any of our leaders as all that smart.

But that's the thing - it meant letting someone else do my thinking for me - and I was never going to do that. Despite what I write here - I take the same approach even to political pundits as well. Easily half the time, someone will say something on a subject I actually agree with - and quietly say to the screen - you damned idiot. You're making the rest of us look bad.

You're singing the song of our (former) people, Sam. I wasn't involved as long as you were, though I did attend the affiliated Bible College for 2 years. I did so in large part, because I was one of those people begging for something, anything I could use to counter those much more knowledgeable people I occasionally tried to proselytize - it was like running into a buzz saw, in the early days. I was running on emotion; they were running on education; on acquired knowledge.

Still, the beginning of the end for me was when I took a class at one of the San Diego community colleges and ran smack against the notion of the whole "Right-Wrong" paradigm and why we feel the need to be right at all costs. That was an actual class, by the way. It said to me that our evangelism inherently put the other person in the position of being wrong, and we were there to change them. Of course, it was also validation of our own beliefs - a "conversion" was proof that our said beliefs were not misplaced; that we were "right."

 

[BOP]

Kinda reminds ya of Chrissy, don't it?

But does Hemihead know peeps?

 

[Kinnakeet]

That is exactly how I style myself, as I follow a modern reconstruction of the pre-Christian beliefs and practices of my Northwestern European ancestors.

I made a considered decision to leave the Catholic Church and Christianity in the Spring of 1975. I studied various philosophic, spiritual and religious ways of approaching the Holy. I decided on Heathenry in mid 1988.

My Mrs. is basically an agnostic deist, having been raised Greek Orthodox.

When my wife and I wed in June 82, to keep peace with our mothers, did have a non-denominational Christian service. The officiant was a local Congregationalist minister.

The Meeting House where we were wed was built in 1834.
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The tavern where we had our reception was built in 1789.
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BTW, my Best Man is gay and has been with his life partner almost 43 years. They are actually more conservative than me, and hate all the BLTQXYZ sh

You're singing the song of our (former) people, Sam. I wasn't involved as long as you were, though I did attend the affiliated Bible College for 2 years. I did so in large part, because I was one of those people begging for something, anything I could use to counter those much more knowledgeable people I occasionally tried to proselytize - it was like running into a buzz saw, in the early days. I was running on emotion; they were running on education; on acquired knowledge.

Still, the beginning of the end for me was when I took a class at one of the San Diego community colleges and ran smack against the notion of the whole "Right-Wrong" paradigm and why we feel the need to be right at all costs. That was an actual class, by the way. It said to me that our evangelism inherently put the other person in the position of being wrong, and we were there to change them. Of course, it was also validation of our own beliefs - a "conversion" was proof that our said beliefs were not misplaced; that we were "right."

How did you fall for that BS cult called religion

 

[vraiblonde]

How did you fall for that BS cult called religion

More importantly, why do you care?

 

[SamSpade]

Of course, it was also validation of our own beliefs - a "conversion" was proof that our said beliefs were not misplaced; that we were "right."

Some of that. Jesus once said (when speaking about John) that "Wisdom is justified by its children". We might say that the proof of the pudding is in the eating of it - it doesn't matter how good you say it is, you have to TASTE it as proof. It doesn't matter how good your plan is, or your idea is - if it doesn't WORK, it's not a good plan.

I just noticed that, argumentation and apologetics aside - these were people who argued outstandingly - but they didn't exhibit the kind of life I thought a Christian should have. They weren't BAD or hypocritical - they just weren't - warm. They were religious Spocks on steroids. I found I was drawn to quiet, humble people who just DID things and lived the life.

As he mentioned of the Pharisees and teachers of the law, that they went over land and sea for a single convert, and then make them "twice the son of hell that you are". It wasn't the evangelism - it was they were CREATING kind, wise, gentle, humble souls. It seemed like a dumb platitude, but it was ripe with wisdom - that "people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care" - and I really didn't care at all. I jsut wanted to be right.

The proof of the pudding. The end result was - they created religious *******s.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

How did adam and eve not commit incest with their kids,and why is there no mention of the dinosaurs in the bible these are questions religious people cannot or will not answer

Well ...... For some reason the chapter that mentions when the Lord sent down more of his children to accompany Adam and Eve to prevent incest related deformities and birth defects, (after that apple and snake event), was left out from the bible. You know? To make a good story. As for not mentioning anything about the dinosaurs? Come on. Do you really think they had palaeontologists back then doing research. Sheesh.

 

[Merlin99]

For your consideration ...



Well ...... For some reason the chapter that mentions when the Lord sent down more of his children to accompany Adam and Eve to prevent incest related deformities and birth defects, (after that apple and snake event), was left out from the bible. You know? To make a good story. As for not mentioning anything about the dinosaurs? Come on. Do you really think they had palaeontologists back then doing research. Sheesh.

This is true, there are many more stories that should be in the Bible that didn’t make it in. Look up the council of Nicae and you can see that there’s enough extra material to write the Bible, part II.

 

[Kinnakeet]

This is true, there are many more stories that should be in the Bible that didn’t make it in. Look up the council of Nicae and you can see that there’s enough extra material to write the Bible, part II.

So people actually believe there is some sort of god that created the earth and he let his son get murdered to save us that is some funny stuff their no mention of the dinosaurs and the incest because its all BS.

 

[Kinnakeet]

More importantly, why do you care?

Why do you care that I might care

 

[spr1975wshs]

So people actually believe there is some sort of god that created the earth and he let his son get murdered to save us that is some funny stuff their no mention of the dinosaurs and the incest because its all BS.

I've long wondered how an immortal being becoming human for a time measured by said immortal being's eye blink, and then that mortal form is killed, and a few days later, the immortal being becomes immortal again, is actually a sacrifice.

 

[Hijinx]

Although in the old testament there are many things that may have been written and thing hat happened that were natural and not supernatural events, IMO there is no doubt and historical evidence that a man named Jesus Christ existed.
Now if one chooses to believe that he was the Son of God that is their prerogative.
One can understand that his appearance did happen and at the time there was written language and it was passed on. Obviously to the most atheistic of people this man was exceptional and did change the religious of the world and created Christianity. Believe what you like about Jesus Christ, I am not so very religious, but I do believe in Jesus Christ.

Many believe in Buddha some hold cows to be sacred, some believe in a pedophile name Mohammed. Believe as you like but religion is the basis for most laws and the Ten Commandments are the basis for a peaceful civilization. Perhaps that is what religion is rules allow people to live in peace with one another.

Today we see religion being destroyed. We also see an increase in crime. I believe when religion dies so does a peaceful civilization.

 

[vraiblonde]

I've long wondered how an immortal being becoming human for a time measured by said immortal being's eye blink, and then that mortal form is killed, and a few days later, the immortal being becomes immortal again, is actually a sacrifice.

Most religious beliefs don't stand up under scrutiny - that's why it's called "faith".

Straight, it's hard sometimes for me to not roll my eyes and be like, "OMG " when some religious person gets going - especially when they're a liberal Democrat hypocrite - but then I remember that that person has nothing to do with me and no power over me. They can have whatever beliefs they want and it doesn't affect me. Makes it easy to do the live and let live thing.

 

[Kyle]

I'm convinced that the only thing in this existence is my consciousness and that all of you are creations of my imagination.

So you guys can just relax, have fun and not worry about it since you dont' really exist.

:happytohelp:

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration. ...

So people actually believe there is some sort of god that created the earth and he let his son get murdered to save us that is some funny stuff their no mention of the dinosaurs and the incest because its all BS.

What the Bible, and most religions, teach, if one can get past the idolatry, is morality, honestly, virtue, doing good in all works. To include humility, charity, chastity, gratitude, temperance, patience, and diligence. And to avoid vainglory/vanity, or pride, greed, or covetousness, lust, or inordinate or illicit sexual desire, envy, gluttony, which is usually understood to include drunkenness, wrath/vengeance or anger, and sloth. In other words, it's good vs evil. Even if the Lord and Christ are metaphorical, their teachings is opposite that of the Satanists.

Because "man"/humans have many failings and faults, someone thought it necessary to write about how people should try to live their lives in a way that brings peace and harmony to civilization. Because the Satanic way is just absolute chaos and evil in its application.

One need not to "believe" in God, the Lord, Jesus Christ, or even the Holy Ghost, exist, to practice and live a life of spiritual morality.

Churches, are a gathering place of like minded individuals to associate and to get reinforcement/support through trying times, and to celebrate good times, and collectively to care for those in need.

 

[Kinnakeet]

For your consideration. ...



What the Bible, and most religions, teach, if one can get past the idolatry, is morality, honestly, virtue, doing good in all works. To include humility, charity, chastity, gratitude, temperance, patience, and diligence. And to avoid vainglory/vanity, or pride, greed, or covetousness, lust, or inordinate or illicit sexual desire, envy, gluttony, which is usually understood to include drunkenness, wrath/vengeance or anger, and sloth. In other words, it's good vs evil. Even if the Lord and Christ are metaphorical, their teachings is opposite that of the Satanists.

Because "man"/humans have many failings and faults, someone thought it necessary to write about how people should try to live their lives in a way that brings peace and harmony to civilization. Because the Satanic way is just absolute chaos and evil in its application.

One need not to "believe" in God, the Lord, Jesus Christ, or even the Holy Ghost, exist, to practice and live a life of spiritual morality.

Churches, are a gathering place of like minded individuals to associate and to get reinforcement/support through trying times, and to celebrate good times, and collectively to care for those in need.

Very well said!

 

[HemiHauler]

Yeah, how strange is it that President Trump was able to do that when he had not only a non-compliant Congress, but one where the vast majority of whose members were actively hostile toward him, and did everything in their power to thwart him at every turn? That's some sort of Christmas miracle, right there.

I mean, you did know that Congress controls the purse strings for the national budget, did you not? Which means that the President can't spend money unless Congress agrees, approves, and allocates that spending, right?

You know that presidents can veto a bill, yes?

 

[HemiHauler]

And the inflation that resulted from that spending?? There is more to economics than just deficit spending.

Now you’re catching on