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[Mikeinsmd]

That was still an act of offensive attack or something of that sort was it not??? He tried and everyone said it was Tail Wagging the Dog and completely NOT in support of our current president. How is that any different :shrug: LYMIT

It was what & how he tried. If he wasn't preoccupied and listened to the military advisors, he may have become a hero vs. a zero.

 

[Kerad]

Not trying to engage in debate, and this is just my opinion Mike, but it didn't seem as if ANY republicans supported him when we did try to engage in a war - remember the whole "Tail Wagging the Dog" thing when he tried to bomb Al Queda in Afghanistan.:shrug: Everyone was focused on him getting a little sex on the side instead of him trying to fight terroism. Conicidentally, there was a movie put out and everything about the Tail Wagging the Dog and everything. He did try and got no support. But, I guess it just wasn't as sensationalistic as the benefits of Altoids while performing an oral act or something :shrug: And yes, I LUB me some Clinton! There... with that said, do I have any friends left on here?

Clinton took so much heat from the right on that. "Trying to take the attention off of the Lewinsky scandal"...etc. He also was hearing it over Kosovo...about how he had no exit strategy...no timetables for bringing our troops home.

Selective memories...

 

[dems4me]

It was what & how he tried. If he wasn't preoccupied and listened to the military advisors, he may have become a hero vs. a zero.

How do you know he didn't listen :shrug: I don't think he just out of the blue woke up one morning with a woody and said, you know, instead of calling Monica, let me call for some missles to shoot over to Afghanistan instead :shrug: :lymi:

 

[Mikeinsmd]

How do you know he didn't listen :shrug: I don't think he just out of the blue woke up one morning with a woody and said, you know, instead of calling Monica, let me call for some missles to shoot over to Afghanistan instead :shrug: :lymi:

He didn't listen. He hates the military & Hillary loathes the military.

 

[dems4me]

He didn't listen. He hates the military & Hillary loathes the military.

Well therin lies the problem with us, I like Hillary too nothing further.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

22 August 1998
As dawn broke on Friday in Sudan and Afghanistan the extent of the damage inflicted by the previous day's US bombing became known. Twenty people were killed in Afghanistan. More than a dozen were wounded in the wreckage of the pharmaceutical plant targeted in the Sudanese capital of Khartoum.

Notwithstanding White House claims to the contrary, it is obvious that the military strikes were undertaken not to counter an unspecified terrorist threat to the United States, but to stave off the more immediate danger of a political collapse of the Clinton administration. The attacks were intended to send a message, not so much to Osama bin Laden--the latest in a long line of bogeymen invoked by US governments--but rather to the powerful right-wing faction of the ruling elite which has spearheaded the attack on Clinton.

Given the timing of the bombings, the administration could not avoid the widespread suspicion that the purpose of the attacks was to distract attention from the wave of revelations in which Clinton has been all but engulfed. It is certainly true that such considerations influenced the precise timing of the assault. But considerations of a more fundamental character are involved in the decision to launch the cruise missiles.

By bombing Afghanistan and Sudan, Clinton has sent a clear signal that he now understands the survival of his presidency depends upon his adopting the platform of his most right-wing opponents.

 

[dems4me]

See, this is one of the many reason I gave up discussing politics with any of y'all, we'd then argue over the source. I could say the sky was blue, you'd want to see the source, I could provide a paintchart, and you'd say it wasn't an accurate paintchart and was one created by a democrat friendly company, etc... Here use this republican chart I've found on this website over here, it's the source that I want to go by. With the plethora of media sources we'd be here all day countering each other's points and then countering each other's sources. It wastes too much time and effort and just makes both sides feeling very frustrated - its just not worth it I do however hope you have a super great Friday and Weekend

 

[camily]

See, this is one of the many reason I gave up discussing politics with any of y'all, we'd then argue over the source. I could say the sky was blue, you'd want to see the source, I could provide a paintchart, and you'd say it wasn't an accurate paintchart and was one created by a democrat friendly company, etc... Here use this republican chart I've found on this website over here, it's the source that I want to go by. With the plethora of media sources we'd be here all day countering each other's points and then countering each other's sources. It wastes too much time and effort and just makes both sides feeling very frustrated - its just not worth it I do however hope you have a super great Friday and Weekend

I agree. I tend to just bite my tongue and let them have their opinion and I have mine. That of course is one of the fundamental differences between democrats and republicans. Acceptance of diversity and personal opinions.

 

[dems4me]

. ... the fundamental differences between democrats and republicans. Acceptance of diversity and personal opinions.

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[Mikeinsmd]

I agree. I tend to just bite my tongue and let them have their opinion and I have mine. That of course is one of the fundamental differences between democrats and republicans. Acceptance of diversity and personal opinions.

Who doesn't accept it? We encourage friendly debates here. Now on the other hand, the DU & other "democratic" boards ban you the second you post a right wing fact. What's up with that? I guess libs don't accept diversity and personal opinions. :shrug:

 

[dems4me]

Who doesn't accept it? We encourage friendly debates here. Now on the other hand, the DU & other "democratic" boards ban you the second you post a right wing fact. What's up with that? I guess libs don't accept diversity and personal opinions. :shrug:

 

[Kerad]

He didn't even give the source. Is it from karlrovefanclub.com?

Too much to copy and paste, but here is a more credible recounting of the events and the Clinton administration's efforts concerning Bin Laden.

You will note that the August 1998 strikes missed Bin Laden himself by a few minutes...or so it is believed.

Also...considering the "wag the Dog" aspect of it:

"Everyone involved in the decision had, of course, been aware of President Clinton's problems. He told them to ignore them. Berger recalled the President saying to him "that they were going to get crap either way, so they should do the right thing."

"...Much public commentary turned immediately to scalding criticism that the action was too aggressive."


"House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott initially supported the President. The next month, Gingrich's office dismissed the cruise missile attacks as "pinpricks"

Of course, with hindsight, we all can see that Clinton could have made different decisions in regards to Bin Laden. He freely admits that himself. But to accuse him of doing nothing is completely inaccurate.

 

[dems4me]

He didn't even give the source. ...
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[Larry Gude]

Yes...

...that is EXACTLY...

Everyone involved in the decision had, of course, been aware of President Clinton's problems. He told them to ignore them. Berger recalled the President saying to him "that they were going to get crap either way, so they should do the right thing."

...what the Clinton administration is most noted for.





The power of faith over reason.

 

[dems4me]

...that is EXACTLY...



...what the Clinton administration is most noted for.





The power of faith over reason.

I think they meant it as in do the "correct" thing... not ver batum the "right" thing in this case

 

[Mikeinsmd]

He didn't even give the source. Is it from karlrovefanclub.com?

Too much to copy and paste, but here is a more credible recounting of the events and the Clinton administration's efforts concerning Bin Laden.

You will note that the August 1998 strikes missed Bin Laden himself by a few minutes...or so it is believed. Believed by who?

Also...considering the "wag the Dog" aspect of it:

"Everyone involved in the decision had, of course, been aware of President Clinton's problems. He told them to ignore them. Berger recalled the President saying to him "that they were going to get crap either way, so they should do the right thing." The right thing would have been to wipe out the country like W did.

"...Much public commentary turned immediately to scalding criticism that the action was too aggressive." Who said that?

"House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott initially supported the President. The next month, Gingrich's office dismissed the cruise missile attacks as "pinpricks" And they were correct

Of course, with hindsight, we all can see that Clinton could have made different decisions in regards to Bin Laden. He freely admits that himself. But to accuse him of doing nothing is completely inaccurate. Who accused him of doing nothing?

 

[Larry Gude]

Correct, right...

I think they meant it as in do the "correct" thing... not ver batum the "right" thing in this case

...proper, whatever.

Why, simply mention the name and people immediately see visions of statesmanship and higher purpose, the epitome of selfless leadership, dancing through their brains.

 

[dems4me]

...proper, whatever.

Why, simply mention the name and people immediately see visions of statesmanship and higher purpose, the epitome of selfless leadership, dancing through their brains.

I agree, I like Clinton too

 

[vraiblonde]

Clinton lobbing those missiles at Baghdad was one of the few times I was actually pleased with him. "Wagging the Dog" - BFD. As long as the job gets done.

Unfortunately, the job DIDN'T get done. Clinton put a hole in Saddam's street, blew up a pharmaceutical factory, and that was it - back to business as usual with the UN getting their palms greased and Saddam still refusing to abide by the UN resolutions.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Clinton lobbing those missiles at Baghdad was one of the few times I was actually pleased with him. "Wagging the Dog" - BFD. As long as the job gets done.

Unfortunately, the job DIDN'T get done. Clinton put a hole in Saddam's street, blew up a pharmaceutical factory, and that was it - back to business as usual with the UN getting their palms greased and Saddam still refusing to abide by the UN resolutions.

He lobbed em into Afghanistan & Sudan....