Salvation: A Gift To You by The Grace of God

[VoteJP]

Excellent.

In one post you preach about predestination and now you swing all the way over to Pelagianism. Man, you are all over the place!

Being "all over the place" is a compliment to me, because orthodoxies keep people locked away in a closed box.

I had never heard of "Pelagian" before, but apparently he is just another example that a better understanding has always been around while people continually reject the truth for the more soothing nonsense of the orthodoxies.

The really big confusion in Christianity is that the Gospel of salvation is about being saved from the evils of this world in this lifetime, but Christianity has changed that into its mystical salvation after-death in its magical Heaven which is a worthless agenda.

Seeking to be saved after-death is a silly and ridiculous goal based totally on the fear of death and on senseless superstitions.

Jesus declares that - God is of the living and NOT of the dead, Mark 12:27

 

[VoteJP]

Excellent.

So it isn't our choice? I've been reading up on the Christian concept of "free-will" in the Bible and I'm curious; where do you see this concept in the Bible?

...I should probably start a new thread, I can do that if you prefer

I am pleased that you started that discussion on that other thread because the Christian concept is far different than is the reality, which I will tell here since I started this subject.

Every person could have a free-will but very few ever actually chooses to use their free will.

The surest way of expressing our "free will" is through renunciation - with particular emphasis on fasting. An example is becoming a vegetarian for the right reason of non violence to the animals would be an act of "free will" because that is an act of defiance against our unGodly human nature. To personally stop one's own addiction is always based on the free-will, as like stopping the addiction to cigarettes because that addiction has control over the person.

Most people have the vain ideas that everyone has a free-will simply because they can pick and choose between options and that is a very shallow doctrine with very little truth to it.

As like an executioner gives the person the choice of being shot or hung or lethal injection - so the choice means little as they are getting executed, so if the person had a "free will" then they would chose not to be executed. So too when Christians make the untrue claim that each person must do as the Christians demand or else their God is going to burn the people in a monstrous place that they call "hell" then that threat is designed to deny the person(s) any free-will.

When people work at jobs that they do not like or love, and they eat foods without just care, and live their life without purpose or meaning, then these people have completely discarded any such free-will, and as such the majority of humanity live and die as being blind stupid sheep doing just as they are told to do.

In this evil world the only way a true act of free-will can be identified must be in bucking the system(s) because compliance and assimilation are very seldom if ever a true act of free-will.

Link = Renunciation | Fasting for God , and - be in the world but not of the world - John 17:16