#1, that's not what we do.
#2, he wouldn't care anway.
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#2, he wouldn't care anway.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Why not? If we're dealing with an enemy who would not be stopped, and would be defiant and unrepentant even in death, we should be prepared to chase him to Hell, tell Satan that we're taking over from here, and inflict damnations and tortures that would make the Prince of Darkness hang his head in shame that he didn't think of them first.
Hey! You know what we could do? We could call Superman and ask HIM to get bin Laden! How's come nobody's thought of that before?
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
Ha ha. I hope you understand my point--respecting the "rules of war" may be useless against an enemy that respects no such rules. Being the "good guys" won't help us if we're all dead. Maybe we have to be just as ruthless and terroristic as bin Laden in order to simply survive.
I couldn't agree with you more. But the lib nutballs in this country have a say, like it or not. As far as I'm concerned, we could pack them all up and ship them to France...or Spain.
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Flo
Guest
Bin Laden could care less about loved ones. I doubt if he really loves anyone but his slimey snakish self. If he can have innocent people killed, why would he care about his relatives?
SurfaceTension
New Member
As there seems to be a lack of reporting, the US is busy making sure that we take the fight to them:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1169511,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,1169511,00.html
Vince
......
I would have to agree with you on this. I don't think we learned anything from Vietnam. Some people in this country still think we can make a civilized war. Nice war. You've all seen some of the stories right here on this forum. Can't quote any off the top of my head, but stories about servicemen/women that are being brought up on charges because the dayum media pick apart their actions during wartime. You can't condemn every little action / killing that happens during wartime. There are those in this country that think you can have a nice war with all the rules in play. Not possible. War is just that, war, and is something to be avoided, if at all possible. When it can't be, like in the case of IRAQ, then you go in, kick their azz and be done with it.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
I was talking about going further than that. Maybe we need to torture Al Qaeda members on worldwide TV. Or use battlefield weapons that ensure slow, painful deaths for enemy combatants. I'd like to see a terrorist chained to the wall of the Oval Office and the President pound him with a baseball bat.
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Bruzilla
Guest
What amazes me is that there are so many people who thinks it makes a tinker's damn worth of difference if we catch Osama or not. Catching him isn't going to mark the end of our problems. There is a leadership structure in place with these terrorist groups, and if you tag & bag one head guy there will be another one in to take his place before the press conferences are over.
What I think we should be doing is going after the state sponsors. Make it widely known that any attack made by Al Qaeda will be revisited ten times over on any country that offers them safe haven. If they blow something up here, then a big chunk of Somalia, Syria, Chechnya, and any other state sponsors gets leveled. Once states stop offering refuge, these people will be more exposed and easier to eliminate.
What I think we should be doing is going after the state sponsors. Make it widely known that any attack made by Al Qaeda will be revisited ten times over on any country that offers them safe haven. If they blow something up here, then a big chunk of Somalia, Syria, Chechnya, and any other state sponsors gets leveled. Once states stop offering refuge, these people will be more exposed and easier to eliminate.
ylexot
Super Genius
There are two wars...the physical war and the psycological war. Physical war is much easier because it simply comes down to last man standing between us and them. Fear can be used as a tool in this war. The psyco war is extremely complex because you are dealing with people that are also complex. It also involves not just us and them, but everyone else in the world as well. So, while you can use fear to help in the physical war, it must be tempered so you do not create fear in the rest of the world.
Imagine if we nuked Afghanistan. That alone might be enough to have the rest of the world band together against us out of fear. Much of what you said could have the same effect. Those actions are brutal and not what people in advanced civilizations do. That's why they are banned by the Geneva convention.
We need to have friends in the world and we need to work to change the mentality of the people in the world to see that we're not so bad. That's why flights with bombs are routinely followed by flights with food and medical supplies.
As the saying goes, "with great power, comes great responsibility". This country has the power to destroy the world several times over. The rest of the world knows this. If they also see us as tyrants instead of peacekeepers, they will stand up against us.
Imagine if we nuked Afghanistan. That alone might be enough to have the rest of the world band together against us out of fear. Much of what you said could have the same effect. Those actions are brutal and not what people in advanced civilizations do. That's why they are banned by the Geneva convention.
We need to have friends in the world and we need to work to change the mentality of the people in the world to see that we're not so bad. That's why flights with bombs are routinely followed by flights with food and medical supplies.
As the saying goes, "with great power, comes great responsibility". This country has the power to destroy the world several times over. The rest of the world knows this. If they also see us as tyrants instead of peacekeepers, they will stand up against us.
Toxick
Splat
I don't think that people want him caught because it's going to make a difference so much as they want him caught to witness his retribution.
I realize that if we catch him, and do all the things that I'd like to see done to him, that it will not end terrorism, or anything close to ending it. It will probably even energize some of his followers, and give him martyr status. I would still like to see him caught and tortured to death. Because what that will do is display some small amount of justice and closure to a wrongdoing that still smarts.
I'd also like to see Bin Laden stuffed into the hollowed out chest cavity of a pig before buried under several tons of pig manure. I would like this broadcast on tv, and I'd like to see the reaction to this. Any countries who cries foul, put on the short-list of suspected terrorist sponsoring nations.
Hessian
Well-Known Member
Dig into History!
I can't count the number of times I have read over the rise of the third reich in relation to grabbing territory.
*The Rhineland:Lightly armed Wehrmacht marched in and the French timidly withdrew-violating the Intertnational Versailles treaty.
*Spain: collapses into factional fighting and Nazi technology & advisors help install a fascist Franco Govt.
*The Anschlüss" Austrian democracry is unable to confront an angry minority and caves in to allow a plebicite(sp) and the subsequent government fled after being bullied by fear.
*The Sudetanland: Hitler makes demands and pledges peace if only the map was redrawn: Allies abandon their front-line ally and Chamberlain gets his famous "Peace in our time."
*Czechoslavakia: Allies tremble as Wehrmacht ordered in (early '39). Threats, gradual build up defenses, France polished the Maginot line...and offered worthless promises to Poland.
So, what is the point?
#1Wishful thinking, timidity, international pledges are all worthless before an aggressive enemy.
#2Defensive barriers can be studied and outwitted.
#3 A portion of the public will always wake-up too late and will always search for a non-confrontational answer no matter how dangerous the threat.(sheep)
Spain has made a dangerous decision, and it is likely they will pay dearly now that the price of courage seems too high.
Required reading: Shirer's Rise & fall of the Third Reich
(Used book store: 3.00)
I can't count the number of times I have read over the rise of the third reich in relation to grabbing territory.
*The Rhineland:Lightly armed Wehrmacht marched in and the French timidly withdrew-violating the Intertnational Versailles treaty.
*Spain: collapses into factional fighting and Nazi technology & advisors help install a fascist Franco Govt.
*The Anschlüss" Austrian democracry is unable to confront an angry minority and caves in to allow a plebicite(sp) and the subsequent government fled after being bullied by fear.
*The Sudetanland: Hitler makes demands and pledges peace if only the map was redrawn: Allies abandon their front-line ally and Chamberlain gets his famous "Peace in our time."
*Czechoslavakia: Allies tremble as Wehrmacht ordered in (early '39). Threats, gradual build up defenses, France polished the Maginot line...and offered worthless promises to Poland.
So, what is the point?
#1Wishful thinking, timidity, international pledges are all worthless before an aggressive enemy.
#2Defensive barriers can be studied and outwitted.
#3 A portion of the public will always wake-up too late and will always search for a non-confrontational answer no matter how dangerous the threat.(sheep)
Spain has made a dangerous decision, and it is likely they will pay dearly now that the price of courage seems too high.
Required reading: Shirer's Rise & fall of the Third Reich
(Used book store: 3.00)
Wake up, Tonio. There is friendship and trust on a personal level but business is business. Just don't pick friends like Jacques Chirac and Saddam Hussein and you'll be okay.