Shouldn't BOTH parents get a tax expemption for the children
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hippiechick
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Bl,
If it came across like that I did not intend to. I was interested in what other people thought on the subject.
But I will not be talked down to.
I think everyone has a right to their opinion. otherwise why even take the time to participate in an open forum.
My apologies to you if I have offended you in any way.
V. Young
If it came across like that I did not intend to. I was interested in what other people thought on the subject.
But I will not be talked down to.
I think everyone has a right to their opinion. otherwise why even take the time to participate in an open forum.
My apologies to you if I have offended you in any way.
V. Young
Hippiechick,
Nice to hear you have a BA, I have a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and was accepted to law school recently. Got the degree while working full time as the custodial parent of two children, but that is neither here nor there.
I notice you didn't offer any of the bits I missed and I guess you missed where I said I really don't care to meet you. If you were real sharp you could probably locate my number as it is listed, might have to change that though as I am beginning to feel as if I have located a stalker.
Nice to hear you have a BA, I have a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and was accepted to law school recently. Got the degree while working full time as the custodial parent of two children, but that is neither here nor there.
I notice you didn't offer any of the bits I missed and I guess you missed where I said I really don't care to meet you. If you were real sharp you could probably locate my number as it is listed, might have to change that though as I am beginning to feel as if I have located a stalker.
hippiechick
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Ken
Well you got me on that one, Good for you on being a single parent. You are still an A## but I have to say I am sorry, I did not realize you worked so hard thru school and raise children.
No, I am not a stalker. I have a temper but I would never hurt anyone unless it was in self defense.
But whatever.
Well you got me on that one, Good for you on being a single parent. You are still an A## but I have to say I am sorry, I did not realize you worked so hard thru school and raise children.
No, I am not a stalker. I have a temper but I would never hurt anyone unless it was in self defense.
But whatever.
Hippiechick,
So, I am an a$$
for believing that giving both parents a deduction when only one raises the child (or children) is a bad idea? I feel this way because I see it creating new problems that I have discussed previously and making a greater burden on a currently flawed system. Or is it that I am an a$$
for thinking that our current tax system is loaded with inequities? I see so much benefit to fairness by using a consumption tax; everyone pays when they buy something, even the criminals that don’t declare income at all or many of the people that work under the table not reporting their income. If we get everyone to pay their fair share then those of us already paying will have to contribute less. Or is it you just call people that disagree with you an ass? Anyway it does take one to know one and I can live with both of us knowing we are asses, can you?
So, I am an a$$
for believing that giving both parents a deduction when only one raises the child (or children) is a bad idea? I feel this way because I see it creating new problems that I have discussed previously and making a greater burden on a currently flawed system. Or is it that I am an a$$
for thinking that our current tax system is loaded with inequities? I see so much benefit to fairness by using a consumption tax; everyone pays when they buy something, even the criminals that don’t declare income at all or many of the people that work under the table not reporting their income. If we get everyone to pay their fair share then those of us already paying will have to contribute less. Or is it you just call people that disagree with you an ass? Anyway it does take one to know one and I can live with both of us knowing we are asses, can you?
See what I mean about the crap that goes on in these so called forums.
King, chick admitted to you that you deserved respect for what you have done.
I can not belive you for the simple fact of the way you have handled the situation between you two. You would NEVER last one day in court with an attitude like that.
You were very rude as so was she. For being an educated man with "so" much going for him than why revert to such childish behavior and antics?
Hippie chick You were no better. You kept it going as well. Maybe we should start a romper room forum for people that can not discuss things in an adult manner.
You wo went way off the topic of the forum.
Nice real nice
King, chick admitted to you that you deserved respect for what you have done.
I can not belive you for the simple fact of the way you have handled the situation between you two. You would NEVER last one day in court with an attitude like that.
You were very rude as so was she. For being an educated man with "so" much going for him than why revert to such childish behavior and antics?
Hippie chick You were no better. You kept it going as well. Maybe we should start a romper room forum for people that can not discuss things in an adult manner.
You wo went way off the topic of the forum.
Nice real nice
hippiechick
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Ken,
I can live with that.
Modwoman, if you can not debate in a forum then what is the point?
I can live with that.
Modwoman, if you can not debate in a forum then what is the point?
Hippiechick,
Okay then, I can live with that too so I guess we are cool.
Modwoman,
What don't you believe? Also as I have been accepted in law school that doesn't mean that I am ready to practice law or litigate a case. I’ll have plenty of time to learn. I understand that there are rules of procedure and once past the bar exam I am sure I will do okay as I have in every other endeavor I have attempted. I haven't even finalized my line of specialty in my mind so I might never be in a court room. As this is a forum of opinion I expect people to have strong feelings and at times to revert to behavior that sometimes isn't even representative of how they are. It would suck big time if your opponents just rolled over.
As it seems you only wanted to point out other people's short comings instead of providing a point concerning the topic I ask, who is the rude one?
Okay then, I can live with that too so I guess we are cool.
Modwoman,
What don't you believe? Also as I have been accepted in law school that doesn't mean that I am ready to practice law or litigate a case. I’ll have plenty of time to learn. I understand that there are rules of procedure and once past the bar exam I am sure I will do okay as I have in every other endeavor I have attempted. I haven't even finalized my line of specialty in my mind so I might never be in a court room. As this is a forum of opinion I expect people to have strong feelings and at times to revert to behavior that sometimes isn't even representative of how they are. It would suck big time if your opponents just rolled over.
As it seems you only wanted to point out other people's short comings instead of providing a point concerning the topic I ask, who is the rude one?
hippiechick
Member
Here is a childish come back for ya modwoman.
HaHaHa
The point is at least Ken and I resolved our differences in the end.
That is the whole fun of being in a debate.
Ken, we cool.
HaHaHa The point is at least Ken and I resolved our differences in the end.That is the whole fun of being in a debate.
Ken, we cool.
Steve
Enjoying life!
Wow! No responses on this topic during all of today!
Now what were we talking about...? Oh! Taxes and child credit.
"Should BOTH parents get a tax exemption..." (And Hippie and Ken! Stop fighting!
)
What I was saying is that the tax laws are set up to provide relief for the parent who raises the child, in their own home. It is bad enough that the marriage ended, and the child will forever feel a loss because of the fact that one parent or the other is not there. Especially at friends' houses where Mom and Dad ARE there. (Most uncommon these days.)
I raise a step-son now, just as I was a step-son when I was young. And just as my mother didn't receive a dime of child support when I was a kid, we do not receive a dime now. But that's a choice we ALL made.
When my son was with his Dad, his Dad claimed the credit. Now we do.
But his Dad is very much a part of his life. He calls every week; my son spends every summer with his Dad, and his Dad even came for a visit and cooked dinner for us all!!
See, the choice we all made was to be adult about the unfortunate end of one marriage that led to the formation of a new marriage, with the "step-son" in the middle. He would never become a pawn. That was the decision. And maybe we are all better off in the sense that we don't worry day-in and day-out about where the money is coming from, who it's going to, or who owes on which side. That should never be an issue, in my opinion.
Child tax credit laws were put in place to help provide for the parent who is raising the child. Pure and simple. We have that credit now, and will as long as he lives here. If he goes back with his Dad, then Dad will get the credit.
It's pretty sad that anyone would look to a child as "an asset" at tax time, and gripe about not getting the child credit. If it is that important to the bottem line, then (I'm sorry but) maybe it's time to try and better yourself and your income, rather than blame your ex because you are getting "shorted". They are the children; we are supposed to be the adults.
Again I say "What price do you charge for an 'I love you', or a giggle, or a laugh"?
Now what were we talking about...? Oh! Taxes and child credit.
"Should BOTH parents get a tax exemption..." (And Hippie and Ken! Stop fighting!
)What I was saying is that the tax laws are set up to provide relief for the parent who raises the child, in their own home. It is bad enough that the marriage ended, and the child will forever feel a loss because of the fact that one parent or the other is not there. Especially at friends' houses where Mom and Dad ARE there. (Most uncommon these days.)
I raise a step-son now, just as I was a step-son when I was young. And just as my mother didn't receive a dime of child support when I was a kid, we do not receive a dime now. But that's a choice we ALL made.
When my son was with his Dad, his Dad claimed the credit. Now we do.
But his Dad is very much a part of his life. He calls every week; my son spends every summer with his Dad, and his Dad even came for a visit and cooked dinner for us all!!
See, the choice we all made was to be adult about the unfortunate end of one marriage that led to the formation of a new marriage, with the "step-son" in the middle. He would never become a pawn. That was the decision. And maybe we are all better off in the sense that we don't worry day-in and day-out about where the money is coming from, who it's going to, or who owes on which side. That should never be an issue, in my opinion.
Child tax credit laws were put in place to help provide for the parent who is raising the child. Pure and simple. We have that credit now, and will as long as he lives here. If he goes back with his Dad, then Dad will get the credit.
It's pretty sad that anyone would look to a child as "an asset" at tax time, and gripe about not getting the child credit. If it is that important to the bottem line, then (I'm sorry but) maybe it's time to try and better yourself and your income, rather than blame your ex because you are getting "shorted". They are the children; we are supposed to be the adults.
Again I say "What price do you charge for an 'I love you', or a giggle, or a laugh"?
hippiechick
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Steve,
Good Morning, I see your point and I do understand hoe expensive it is to raise a child. I have two children of my own.
I was just wondering because I see the "other parent", losing so much at times.
Some of the ones I know are putting everything the have into to child support, while a few of the custodial parents do not use the support money towards the child.
Here is an example of two women.. I know it is only two but I think this happens alot.
The first woman has children by 4 different fathers and has recently broken up a home to claim another man to have another child with. She receives child support for all four children, and yet one of the ex's whom I know personaly works 3 jobs to pay his share of the child support, buys ALL her clothes, medicine, food and school supplies. the child tells her father that her mom will not buy her shoes, clothes, school supplies and when the dad asked why the mother said she could not afford it.
Yet this same woman has her nails done once a week, attends a health spa and tan salon and has no problem buying herself new clothes almost on a daily basis. Yes I have see this with my own two eyes. The father has called Social services to try to get help. They did nothing, He went back to court a few times, and nothing.
Their general response was they can not interfere with a persons lifestyle.
The second woman has a similar background but she abuses her children ( she has 5).
She also has different men moving in and out of the home vey frequently and the children are left alone to fend for themselves as "mommy" goes hunting for her nexta man. I know I am going to get a lot of crap for writing this but these are true cases, and there are many more out there.
These poor guys are busting their A$$ of and really get rimmed at the end when they have to pay over 1000 to THE IRS .
I was just wondering if there was a way to help the non-custodial parents that are paying support to get some kind of relief.
Good Morning, I see your point and I do understand hoe expensive it is to raise a child. I have two children of my own.
I was just wondering because I see the "other parent", losing so much at times.
Some of the ones I know are putting everything the have into to child support, while a few of the custodial parents do not use the support money towards the child.
Here is an example of two women.. I know it is only two but I think this happens alot.
The first woman has children by 4 different fathers and has recently broken up a home to claim another man to have another child with. She receives child support for all four children, and yet one of the ex's whom I know personaly works 3 jobs to pay his share of the child support, buys ALL her clothes, medicine, food and school supplies. the child tells her father that her mom will not buy her shoes, clothes, school supplies and when the dad asked why the mother said she could not afford it.
Yet this same woman has her nails done once a week, attends a health spa and tan salon and has no problem buying herself new clothes almost on a daily basis. Yes I have see this with my own two eyes. The father has called Social services to try to get help. They did nothing, He went back to court a few times, and nothing.
Their general response was they can not interfere with a persons lifestyle.
The second woman has a similar background but she abuses her children ( she has 5).
She also has different men moving in and out of the home vey frequently and the children are left alone to fend for themselves as "mommy" goes hunting for her nexta man. I know I am going to get a lot of crap for writing this but these are true cases, and there are many more out there.
These poor guys are busting their A$$ of and really get rimmed at the end when they have to pay over 1000 to THE IRS .
I was just wondering if there was a way to help the non-custodial parents that are paying support to get some kind of relief.
Christy
b*tch rocket
Hmmm, I'd recommend shoving them both in front of a very large moving vehicle such as a bus or train! 
It does suck big time that many women choose to use their children as pawns and means of income for themselves (rather than their children), but you can't really justify taking more taxes from those of us who are paying tons now, to make up for these folks. I mean heck, how soon do you think those women would be finding a way to tap into that tax money that the non-custodial parent would get back? Pretty darn quick I think.
I swear, so many kids these days just don't stand a chance due to the loser parent(s) they've been stuck with.
It does suck big time that many women choose to use their children as pawns and means of income for themselves (rather than their children), but you can't really justify taking more taxes from those of us who are paying tons now, to make up for these folks. I mean heck, how soon do you think those women would be finding a way to tap into that tax money that the non-custodial parent would get back? Pretty darn quick I think.
I swear, so many kids these days just don't stand a chance due to the loser parent(s) they've been stuck with.
hippiechick
Member
I hear ya Christy.
I just wish there was something can be done.
I just wish there was something can be done.
Hippiechick,
In the scenarios you laid out one would think that if the non-custodial parent had an issue of where their money was going or concerns that it wasn't getting to the kids they would take this back to court in an effort to obtain custody. That is what I did when it became obvious that my ex-wife wasn't providing the best environment for my children when I was paying over 60% of my gross income for their support (child support and alimony combined). It cost a lot up front for the lawyer but as it was my children the money was well spent and I no longer had to worry whether she was partying with the money that was suppose to take care of the kids.
In the scenarios you laid out one would think that if the non-custodial parent had an issue of where their money was going or concerns that it wasn't getting to the kids they would take this back to court in an effort to obtain custody. That is what I did when it became obvious that my ex-wife wasn't providing the best environment for my children when I was paying over 60% of my gross income for their support (child support and alimony combined). It cost a lot up front for the lawyer but as it was my children the money was well spent and I no longer had to worry whether she was partying with the money that was suppose to take care of the kids.
hippiechick
Member
Ken,
I agree with that method as well.
But In my last post I did mention that they did go to Social Services and Court.
I am glad to hear it worked out for you, but it does not work out so well for others. How hard was it for you to get a positive result? Maybe they can try some different approaches.
I agree with that method as well.
But In my last post I did mention that they did go to Social Services and Court.
I am glad to hear it worked out for you, but it does not work out so well for others. How hard was it for you to get a positive result? Maybe they can try some different approaches.
Hippiechick,
I was wondering how these scenarios were not considered child abuse or neglect. Do you have any more info?
“the child tells her father that her mom will not buy her shoes, clothes, school supplies and when the dad asked why the mother said she could not afford it.”
These are all necessities. What’s next, they aren’t going to by their kids’ food?
I was wondering how these scenarios were not considered child abuse or neglect. Do you have any more info?
“the child tells her father that her mom will not buy her shoes, clothes, school supplies and when the dad asked why the mother said she could not afford it.”
These are all necessities. What’s next, they aren’t going to by their kids’ food?
hippiechick
Member
BL,
For the life of me, I do not understand how some of these other systems work. I guess it depends on the location of the people, the courts, etc, etc.
I think it would be child neglect but it is sometimes hard to prove. The children are old enough to stand infront of court but they are afraid of what the mother wold do to them. Food is already an issue for the one family. According to her eldest daughter her mom goes out to eat at the local bars and The motherdoes not eat at home. The children is taking care of the home. The eldest washes the clothes, cleans the house and watches after the younger ones. When the New boyfriend comes around She will buy food but only then.
Most of the food comes from neighbors or the dad. Social services was out several times, I know the social worker on this case, and like she told me if the children won't verifiy the accusations then they have little to go on.
For the life of me, I do not understand how some of these other systems work. I guess it depends on the location of the people, the courts, etc, etc.
I think it would be child neglect but it is sometimes hard to prove. The children are old enough to stand infront of court but they are afraid of what the mother wold do to them. Food is already an issue for the one family. According to her eldest daughter her mom goes out to eat at the local bars and The motherdoes not eat at home. The children is taking care of the home. The eldest washes the clothes, cleans the house and watches after the younger ones. When the New boyfriend comes around She will buy food but only then.
Most of the food comes from neighbors or the dad. Social services was out several times, I know the social worker on this case, and like she told me if the children won't verifiy the accusations then they have little to go on.
Hippiechick,
It wasn't that difficult for me as the kid's mother was getting evicted from her rental property while we were awaiting the final court appearance. By the time we got to court the kids were already living with me (for about three months) even though I was still paying the court ordered support. The judge immediately saw what was best for the children, I agreed to pay all associated costs, my lawyer, her lawyer, and court costs, and he made his decision based on what was best for the kids and not us parents. I had documented how during the period when she had custody the number of times the schools would contact me regarding their performance at school and how they had found my ex to be non-responsive to their requests for conferences. There were other factors but my notes really helped the judge see my side of the picture. Which believe it or not was always from a point of what was best for the kids. I had a large loan after the fact but paid it off in no time once I didn’t have to pay the child support and I fully believe it was for the best.
As a side note my youngest son should become a father at any moment as they are at the hospital as I type this. I am looking forward to handing out some cigars later today.
It wasn't that difficult for me as the kid's mother was getting evicted from her rental property while we were awaiting the final court appearance. By the time we got to court the kids were already living with me (for about three months) even though I was still paying the court ordered support. The judge immediately saw what was best for the children, I agreed to pay all associated costs, my lawyer, her lawyer, and court costs, and he made his decision based on what was best for the kids and not us parents. I had documented how during the period when she had custody the number of times the schools would contact me regarding their performance at school and how they had found my ex to be non-responsive to their requests for conferences. There were other factors but my notes really helped the judge see my side of the picture. Which believe it or not was always from a point of what was best for the kids. I had a large loan after the fact but paid it off in no time once I didn’t have to pay the child support and I fully believe it was for the best.
As a side note my youngest son should become a father at any moment as they are at the hospital as I type this. I am looking forward to handing out some cigars later today.
