Slingshots used on Tiger??

Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Sure it is...

Dixie said:
but a tiger attack? Bit unusual in my opinon.

My new year's resolution was to try to see the other guys point of view w/o arguing. So in light of that - Thank you for sharing. Don't agree with some of it but thankfully we're both entitled.
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...which is part of the point. Consider this; I am happier that these kids, allegedly, provoked the tiger and he got out and killed on of them than I would be if the tiger couldn't get out and some judge gave these idiots 30 days community service.

I am happier if some bag lady kills one of them for attacking her rather than their parents going before a judge explaining how their little choir boys watched too much TV and played violent video games and thus need some understanding and forgiveness.

I think we live in a better world today, if only a little bit, if we all know some vicious little punks got killed and/or mauled over what they DID instead of just another ugly incident swept under the rug.

I don't fault you for being concerned for the safety of innocent people. I am just suggesting we lay blame where it belongs. Let us say 'attacked tigers will be attacked tigers so we need smarter teenagers' instead of 'boys will be boys, we need higher fences'.
 
clevalley

clevalley

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I understand your point...

forestal said:
OKAY, that article leaves some wiggle room for interpretation.. here's another article that doesn't.



Tiger wall at zoo below standard height - UPI.com

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 28 (UPI) -- The wall around the tiger exhibit at the San Francisco Zoo, where a man was killed by an escaped tiger, was 4 feet lower than national standards.
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...but the contradicting quote in this article says;

" The recommendation that tigers be secured with walls at least 16 1/2 feet high is advisory and a spokesman said that the only mandatory standard is that walls be big and strong enough to keep tigers in. "

It is apparent the dry moat 33' across was the deciding factor for the wall to be 12 1/2' above the tigers ground level...

The inspectors who stamped the enclosure as being adequate certified the enclosure.

After reading all the articles, their is NO "standard" for a tiger enclosure. Different combinations of moat length/depths, wall heights, to include or not include electrical fencing, overhangs, etc. is what are taken into consideration.

I am sure they do not just build this enclosure and say "Hey, is this good enough?" No, probably not... engineers and architects design the enclosure on paper and the plans are sent in for approval. Once they are approved then it is built - just like any other structure in the US.

It is plain and simple, you mess with fire you're going to get burned...
 
High EGT

High EGT

Gort! Klaatu barada nikto
The J Generation

I call them the Jackass Generation, born in an age of instant video that encourages outragious acts for that 15 seconds of fame. Well they got it but not like they imagined.
 
Sonsie

Sonsie

The mighty Al-Sonsie!
Dixie said:
Point taken but if "let's" implies that I/with the group should rejoice that the kids got what they deserved - I don't know prairie justice? I just don't feel it's worth celebrating not the kids death/injury nor the tiger. I really was just wondering out loud if anyone would feel differently about the height of the fence if their loved one had been a victim that's all. Yes car accidents, choking etc can unexpectedly happen at any time but a tiger attack? Bit unusual in my opinon.

My new year's resolution was to try to see the other guys point of view w/o arguing. So in light of that - Thank you for sharing. Don't agree with some of it but thankfully we're both entitled.
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My thoughts exactly. When you're standing there over your toddler who was mauled to death by a tiger you don't care what was done by whom. Zoos are really a draw for children, the chance of having them killed by a ticked off tiger should be about zero. I don't care how provoked the tiger is, this just proves it could have gotten out at any time. The tormentors got what was coming to them but it could just as easily have been a school field trip group walking up to the enclosure that paid the price.
 
cattitude

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
Sonsie said:
My thoughts exactly. When you're standing there over your toddler who was mauled to death by a tiger you don't care what was done by whom. Zoos are really a draw for children, the chance of having them killed by a ticked off tiger should be about zero. I don't care how provoked the tiger is, this just proves it could have gotten out at any time. The tormentors got what was coming to them but it could just as easily have been a school field trip group walking up to the enclosure that paid the price.
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I wonder how one can determine how HIGH is HIGH enough for a pissed-off, taunted animal?

I can hear the zoo/engineering/experts now..."Okay, inspector so-n-so, you know we need to add the azzhole factor into our equation of weight x the leaping/climbing ability of the animal....."
 
Sonsie

Sonsie

The mighty Al-Sonsie!
cattitude said:
I wonder how one can determine how HIGH is HIGH enough for a pissed-off, taunted animal?

I can hear the zoo/engineering/experts now..."Okay, inspector so-n-so, you know we need to add the azzhole factor into our equation of weight x the leaping/climbing ability of the animal....."
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Yeah, and since zoos appear to be here for good nobody wants to go back to the awful sight of the old fashioned cages with bars all over and covering the top. The more naturalistic ones make for a better experience for both the viewer and the captive.

I bet the inevitable lawsuit from this is going to make zoos look long and hard at the problem though.
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Dixie said:
The boys supposedly taunted the tiger and the tiger had the forethought to kill/maim the right kids. What if the tiger went on a rampage and killed the wrong people - who's at fault - who gets sued - the boys who started it - the zoo because the walls were too low?

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The point being that cat DIDN'T kill or attack the wrong people.. it attacked the right ones.. and possibly even ran by others (I'm assuming other people were in the zoo at the time, and were between the cage and where the cat was found mauling the other two)..

Smart cat.. I also heard a rumor that the first person didn't get far from the cage becasue it used that victims leg (it was dangling into the enclosure) as a ladder to get out of the cage.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Yup...

Sonsie said:
but it could just as easily have been a school field trip group walking up to the enclosure that paid the price.
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...and they all could have died in a fiery, horrible accident. Hit by a train. Run into by a gas tanker. Piece of the space shuttle hit the bus.

I wonder if anyone has stats on kids killed on field trips last 10 years v. kids on field trips eaten by tigers?

:lmao:
 
cattitude

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
itsbob said:
I also heard a rumor that the first person didn't get far from the cage becasue it used that victims leg (it was dangling into the enclosure) as a ladder to get out of the cage.
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I've heard that speculation as well. THAT would certainly make it easier to get over a fence that has never been breached before.
 
greyhound

greyhound

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Has the story on the slingshot been reported by a reputable news source? I have checked on the internet but all sites quote the NY Post. The The NY Post is a tabloid. Not known for it's accurate stories.
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
greyhound said:
Has the story on the slingshot been reported by a reputable news source? I have checked on the internet but all sites quote the NY Post. The The NY Post is a tabloid. Not known for it's accurate stories.
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What, EXACTLY, is a tabloid?
 
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