Slot Passage

[rraley]

I am an Irish Catholic and the examples I've seen so far are embarrassments. It bewilders me why a group of immigrants like the Irish that had to battle their way up from the slums would ever consider giving anyone a free ride.

Well there may be some disappointments, but they are overshadowed in my mind by Jack and Bobby Kennedy.

 

[Larry Gude]

Can I ask you a question?

but they are overshadowed in my mind by Jack and Bobby Kennedy.

May I?

 

[Ken King]

Slots legislation makes it out of the House. Though it is a lot different then the Senate and Ehrlich's proposal by about 6,000 machines and a couple of counties where they will be. The revenue will be for "school construction".

Now with the differences, will it make it to law?

 

[vraiblonde]

Jack and Bobby Kennedy.

First Martin O'Malley, now the Kennedys. You sure know how to pick 'em.

 

[willie]

Slots legislation makes it out of the House. Though it is a lot different then the Senate and Ehrlich's proposal by about 6,000 machines and a couple of counties where they will be. The revenue will be for "school construction".

Now with the differences, will it make it to law?

Didn't Michael Busch say he was going to screw it up?

 

[somdcrab]

I'm not sure that providing added funding for school funding is really "throwing it away" as it seems that you suggest, but the plan is for about 52% of the revenue from slot machines to go towards school construction and other education expenses. Some contend that the plan could increase education funding $700 million over the years.

To Larry, I am sorry if you took my statement that most of you would support slots because most of you are Ehrlich backers...I was merely making a broad generalization (like some would say that I support more welfare because I'm a Democrat, etc.). I was just stating the obvious...most Ehrlich backers are slots proponents, while most Ehrlich opponents also oppose slots.

As for my position on slots, I do not believe that allowing slots will increase our state revenues wildly as Governor Ehrlich has said. I don't think that our budgets should be tied to "projected" slot revenue or one-time fees paid to acquire licenses for the slots (too many variables there for comfort). And I do not like how Ehrlich has pushed this slots legislation by saying that we cannot fund the Thornton Plan without it (it's an empty generalization and it shamelessly plays with the future of young people in education, in my opinion). That being said, I do not have a problem with slots...and I believe that they will greatly help our horse racing industry, which has a status in Maryland history that should be protected. For that reason, I support having slots avaliable at horse tracks across the state so long as the leaders of those counties support that (PG County has fervently said no to slots, so I support the House bill excluding slots from that region). A compromise bill between the House and Senate that excluded slots in PG, excluded slots at non-race track sites, sent some of the revenue to education, and includes fees for the licenses (rather than a bidding process like what the house bill advocates) would be very favorable to me.

Also, Larry, do you know what would be the greatest? Maryland Democratic Governor Martin O'Malley.

you tell em cujo

 

[somdcrab]

No ma'me...I think that an Irish Catholic is just what this state needs

can a brudda get a amen???

 

[Ken King]

Didn't Michael Busch say he was going to screw it up?

And I think I read that he wasn't forming a committee to work out the differences with the Senate. Does that mean the House will concede to what the Senate wants?

 

[Oz]

Also, Larry, do you know what would be the greatest? Maryland Democratic Governor Martin O'Malley.

Better tell that to the folks taking Douglas Duncan out on Jackie Russell's boat last summer...

 

[somdcrab]

No ma'me...I think that an Irish Catholic is just what this state needs

 

[willie]

And I think I read that he wasn't forming a committee to work out the differences with the Senate. Does that mean the House will concede to what the Senate wants?

Busch said he will not negotiate. If the bill comes back to him with any kind of a change, it's history....again.

 

[somdcrab]

 

[rraley]

First Martin O'Malley, now the Kennedys. You sure know how to pick 'em.

Now you can give me stuff about Teddy, but you can't pin much to Jack and Bobby.

 

[willie]

Now you can give me stuff about Teddy, but you can't pin much to Jack and Bobby.

That was an entirely different era. The Democratic Party was no where near so far out in left field as it is now. LBJ's administration turned the wheel hard left. Is there anything like a Dixiecrat today?

How would Jack or Bobby be judged in today's political atmosphere? Jacks pants zipper probably got even more of a workout than Clinton's and Jackie was just as dense as Hillary. In those days it was a "who cares" and family values had nothing to do with the Bay of Pigs or the Stare down of the Cuban missile crisis. Not the case today.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Jack and Bobby would probably be Republicans today. They were far more conservative than today's Democratic party. Jack was not a particular proponent of welfare; "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

 

[rraley]

Jack and Bobby would probably be Republicans today. They were far more conservative than today's Democratic party. Jack was not a particular proponent of welfare; "Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country."

HAHAHAHA...Bobby Kennedy, the peacenik, would be a Republican. The two men who fought to end segregation. The two men would traveled to the inner cities to see the problem first hand and then pushed government programs to fix it. Jack Kenned who called for national health care would be a Republican. Now 2A, one quote stated to call people to do great things like join the Peace Corps, does not mean that a man is going to be a Republican.

Furthermore, Kennedy actually negotiated with communists to avert nuclear war (withdraw missiles from Turkey).

 

[Vince]

Anyways, I start this to see what you all think about slots...I suppose that most of you, as Ehrlich backers, are for them.

Guess I don't really care one way or the other because I don't gamble other than a lottery ticket now and then. I suppose the revenue could be of use as long as the state puts it towards things like education, etc.

 

[willie]

Anyways, I start this to see what you all think about slots...I suppose that most of you, as Ehrlich backers, are for them.

Ehrlich was giving too much to the racetrack owners and now that has been corrected I'm all for it.
•Why is crime going to go up? The High crime areas are excluded.
•Gambling addicts are now going to help support education
•Casual gamblers will keep their money in Md. instead of W. Va. Delaware and soon Pa.
•There is supposed to be a provision for helping gambling addicts but IMHO that's just to appease the PG County preachers.

 

[2ndAmendment]

HAHAHAHA...Bobby Kennedy, the peacenik, would be a Republican. The two men who fought to end segregation. The two men would traveled to the inner cities to see the problem first hand and then pushed government programs to fix it. Jack Kenned who called for national health care would be a Republican. Now 2A, one quote stated to call people to do great things like join the Peace Corps, does not mean that a man is going to be a Republican.

Furthermore, Kennedy actually negotiated with communists to avert nuclear war (withdraw missiles from Turkey).

Need to read your history better. The missiles that came out of Turkey were slated to come out anyway. He pulled a fast one on them.

Bobby Kennedy is a stretch, I admit. I liked him about as much as I like Hilary. With the cold war and everything that went on, and I know this sounds harsh, but it was probably better for the country that he was killed. He probably would have won the presidency, and I don't think the country would have survived the cold war.

I'm saying that Jack Kennedy was far more conservative than the Democratic party is today. I was alive then. I went through the rotunda of the Capital for his funeral. I remember the day he was shot like it was yesterday. I was in Spanish class in my senior year in high school. I remember well what he said and how he acted. He was about to "push the button" over the missiles in Cuba. We came very close to having your generation never born. I lived it. You are only reading about it.

 

[rraley]

I'm saying that Jack Kennedy was far more conservative than the Democratic party is today. I was alive then. I went through the rotunda of the Capital for his funeral. I remember the day he was shot like it was yesterday. I was in Spanish class in my senior year in high school. I remember well what he said and how he acted. He was about to "push the button" over the missiles in Cuba. We came very close to having your generation never born. I lived it. You are only reading about it.

Oh so I suppose since you were living there, I should automatically accept your reasoning over mine...ah right.

John F. Kennedy was a centrist who leaned to the left; then he won an election by a very close margin and decided to govern fromo the middle (which was the correct action to take). Here are some more quotes and actions that should prove JFK's liberal bent...

If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal."

September 14th, 1960

Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind.

September 25th, 1961

What kind of peace do we seek? Not a Pax Americana enforced on the world by American weapons of war. Not the peace of the grave or the security of the slave. I am talking about genuine peace, the kind of peace that makes life on earth worth living, the kind that enables men and nations to grow and to hope and to build a better life for their children— not merely peace for Americans but peace for all men and women— not merely peace in our time but peace for all time.

June 10th, 1963

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.

January 20th, 1961

But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.

There...Jack wouldn't be a Democrat today.