So here we freaking go again
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BOP
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That's no surprise, since even they may use inclusive language when they say that Americans should pay more in taxes, they don't mean them, personally.
I've noticed that the bulk of leftists - the ones who actually work for a living, tend to be in the lower socio-economic strata. Even the supposedly "educated" among them tend to be found in low-paying service industries. There are exceptions, of course; the Bell Curve dictates that that is the case.
Basically, they don't pay much in taxes, usually being in the brackets that get refunds every year, so calling for higher taxes doesn't really affect them. Until it does, that is.
black dog
Free America
Yep, we went through that also, lol.I can imagine the meltdown that brought on.
When Zack was still in Chopticon he wore one of the shirts I bought him at a gun show, don't remember which, but it caused a phone call to me at work.
They had to suck it up an endure it for the day.
The first time with a Tee was at Lettie Dent with a shirt I got him from a bar/restaurant in Covington, KY. It was the C ock & Bull Public House.
Excellent Fish & Chips and funny Tee's. The principle made him turn it inside out, it was all good until that afternoon when that little boys father walked into her office. We got that sh!t strait, had to go the Chopticon a few times over some teachers or administrators personal opinions.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Have to revisit this. No one was stopping the rights of gay men and women from being, or living, together, or jumping the broom so to speak proclaiming they are married; though not in the eyes of the State. It is a Nation's, or State's, prerogative to pass laws pertaining to "legal marriage" between a man and a woman to ensure and promote procreation. Gays do not procreate. (And don't even bring up that gays adopt. Which really does mentally harm children.) So why should they be allowed get a "legal marriage"?
The more gays there are, the less population growth, less population replacement, and the population declines. That's why a "legal marriage" should only be between a man and a woman.
Have to revisit this. No one was stopping the rights of gay men and women from being, or living, together, or jumping the broom so to speak proclaiming they are married; though not in the eyes of the State. It is a Nation's, or State's, prerogative to pass laws pertaining to "legal marriage" between a man and a woman to ensure and promote procreation. Gays do not procreate. (And don't even bring up that gays adopt. Which really does mentally harm children.) So why should they be allowed get a "legal marriage"?
The more gays there are, the less population growth, less population replacement, and the population declines. That's why a "legal marriage" should only be between a man and a woman.
No, but without legal marriage, lots of rights typically conveyed to family - was not given to gay couples. I know - we have a few in our extended family.
Well, you're wrong. Marriage is a legal contract, and how I know is that you have to get a license from the government to do it. As such, the government cannot discriminate.
If your religious beliefs insist that marriage is a spiritual thing between the couple and God solely for purposes of procreation, you're certainly entitled to think that way and scowl at every same sex couple you see. But the government does not make law based on your personal religious beliefs, nor should it.
Other people have rights, not just you.
Ok Vrai took the first part of this, I’ll try the second. What’s your proof that gay adoption harms children? I’d like a real answer to this, something that can be debated not just an opinion. As for the last paragraph, why does population replacement demand legal marriage?
I'm not sure what the statistics for "population replacement" are in Norway (my second home and where all my grandkids live) but "legal marriage" went out the window there many years ago and the government considers only things like kids and cohabitation (call it "common-law marriage I guess) etc when dealing with things like property distribution after separation, child support etc etc.
Can you still get "legally married" there?..well..yeah, but. They typically only open their rural churches up twice a year..in the spring for newborn kid's christening and in the fall for the "confirmation" of all the 14 year-old kids in the community.
Put another way....the government and the laws there treat couples that have lived together no different than those that lived together married.
Tech
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Then they should not be involved in divorce.
I guess my work is done here then.I know how he'll respond and I'm queued up for him
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
That is because gays cohabiting in a sexual context is considered unnatural. Why promote that? The point is to promote marriages that further the creation of new people. Besides, there are other legal means of which to pass on or convey property to anyone who so chooses other than through marriage.
It's not a legal contract, all it is is a form of registering with the government for taxation and benefit purposes. Show me a marriage legal contract.
I do not scowl when I see gay couples. I could care less. Religion has nothing to do with my position.
Everything I've said is an opinion.
Legal marriages, and the benefits that come with it, encourage people to marry and have children. I have no definitive direct proof that gay adoption harms children, only anecdotal accounts. Which in this instance isn't worth the hassle of going into, just so I can be put on the whipping post.
That is because gays cohabiting in a sexual context is considered unnatural. Why promote that? The point is to promote marriages that further the creation of new people. Besides, there are other legal means of which to pass on or convey property to anyone who so chooses other than through marriage.
It's not a legal contract, all it is is a form of registering with the government for taxation and benefit purposes. Show me a marriage legal contract.
I do not scowl when I see gay couples. I could care less. Religion has nothing to do with my position.
Everything I've said is an opinion.
Legal marriages, and the benefits that come with it, encourage people to marry and have children. I have no definitive direct proof that gay adoption harms children, only anecdotal accounts. Which in this instance isn't worth the hassle of going into, just so I can be put on the whipping post.
Well darn it. I was sure you'd come back with cherry picked news stories about sickos abusing their adopted children who happen to also be gay. And I was going to respond with cherry picked stories of male/female couples abusing their biological children.
Buzzkill
Now what am I going to do with all these links???
black dog
Free America
They have no proof, well other than someone silly opinions written in last Aprils Christian Science Monitor Magazine.
As you know, I adopted all of my kids, and if we could have gone the more - traditional, natural route - we would have, if not for the fact that the YEARS of documents, travel, interviews, fingerprinting, MORE fingerprinting, evaluations, required reading, paperwork, fees, accountants, legal BS and so on and so on. In movies they make it look like you just go shopping for kids and they hand you the kid. Maybe over a hundred years ago, but not as long as I've been alive.Well darn it. I was sure you'd come back with cherry picked news stories about sickos abusing their adopted children who happen to also be gay. And I was going to respond with cherry picked stories of male/female couples abusing their biological children.
Buzzkill
And I know that for a lot of kids - some of them aren't going to be adopted, like ever. I had a foster brother whom we loved, but when my Dad had to take a job that took us a hundred miles away - his family refused to let us take him. My parents wanted to adopt him - they refused. They never took him back - and he never was adopted. He's a wonderful man now, since our family found him again, thanks to the Internet.
People want BABIES. But they don't want older kids, and at least in this country, if you're not adopted by grade school age, your chances are very poor. Having known sad stories of children who never got parents - I can say it is FAR BETTER that they get parents that love them and are willing to run the entire gamut of years of paperwork to adopt them - than never to have anything. I have a gay person in my extended family whom I have always believed would be a wonderful parent - my children utterly adore him - but - he also knows the reality of people and how they regard the situation.
I think anyone adopted by my cousin and her wife would make out spectacularly. They have a house on a golf course in Palm Springs so they’d have to pick that up. Then there’s my aunt and uncle (her parents), he’s a retired vice president for DHL with nothing better to spend money on.
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So did I. His name was Lloyd. He didn't turn out well.....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Katherine_and_Sheila_Lyon
Once people allowed (and celebrated) the government to give tax breaks to married people, and other considerations - it allowed the governemnt to then define what a marriage is. Once you allow the government to controll anything, it is theirs to control it all.