He is correct. :shrug:
So, what does this mean?
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He is correct. :shrug:
Don't even try to explain it to him. You will need pictures, diagrams, and people who work with the mentally challenged to be able to get it through.
BOP
Well-Known Member
Yeah, well, he's older and stupider. Unfortunately, both of them will more than likely breed - separately or together.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
This has never been clear to me, how it's determined. First degree, second degree, third degree...
Also, if a 13 year old (for the sake of discussion) willingly has sex (not against her will, not forced), shouldn't the 13 year old at least be required to go to counseling? Realistically, young girls do this stuff every day. They get caught, then cry rape, and they've ruined someone's life (and I'm not talking about just a 37 year old).
Even if the 13 year old is built like a brick ####house and sticks her hooha right in his face, a 37 year old man is supposed to decline her invitation.
If the 13 year old is a prostitute, the man is supposed to decline.
Doesn't matter who she is or what she does.
bcp
In My Opinion
37 going after a 13 is sick.
but sometimes, the girls themselves can be putting themself into a bad position.
example.
The other night my daughters friend (our second daughter) was at the house.
I had a beer.
So I asked her, you wanna beer? (yes, Pan Lady was home)
She lit up and said sure.
So thats when explained to her that she should NEVER accept a beer from an adult, NEVER, the adult would have only one thing on their mind. If she was going to get a beer, it would have to be from her parents.
So she tells me, your like my second dad, I trust you.
and again, I went on to explain that when children are assualted by adults, the majority of the time it is by someone that is well trusted, like an uncle, or best friend,, or,, second dad?
I think she finally caught on that I was testing to see how she would react, hopefully she got the point. Because, she certainly did not get the beer.
but sometimes, the girls themselves can be putting themself into a bad position.
example.
The other night my daughters friend (our second daughter) was at the house.
I had a beer.
So I asked her, you wanna beer? (yes, Pan Lady was home)
She lit up and said sure.
So thats when explained to her that she should NEVER accept a beer from an adult, NEVER, the adult would have only one thing on their mind. If she was going to get a beer, it would have to be from her parents.
So she tells me, your like my second dad, I trust you.
and again, I went on to explain that when children are assualted by adults, the majority of the time it is by someone that is well trusted, like an uncle, or best friend,, or,, second dad?
I think she finally caught on that I was testing to see how she would react, hopefully she got the point. Because, she certainly did not get the beer.
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Per § 3-304, if a person engages in vaginal intercourse with someone who is under 14, and they themselves are at least 4 years older than the victim, then they have committed the felony of second degree rape, correct? The law makes no requirement that they be over 18, in order to be 'guilty of the felony of rape in the second degree', is that not correct?
With regard to what distinguishes first degree rape from second degree rape, I was listing various conditions which could distinguish them and I wasn't being particularly comprehensive in the technical description of those things. But, you are correct, technically I should have said 'Sometimes the distinction has to do with whether or not the act was committed 'by force, or the threat of force, without the consent' of the victim,'. Just as I condensed some of the other descriptions, I condensed that description to 'consent'. And people wonder why I'm so verbose and go to such lengths to be technically precise - see what happens when I cheat a little?
That said, there are circumstances where the presence or absence of that particular condition, as I've just described it, might distinguish first degree rape from second degree rape, per § 3-303 et seq.
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Nucklesack is technically correct. A 13 year old can consent to sex, and thereby make the act not second degree rape on the part of her partner - but she can't do that with someone who is at least 4 years older than she is. Nucklesack's point is that it isn't just due to her age, it is due to her age in combination with the other person's age. Does the point matter? I don't know - but it's technically correct.
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If she's under 14, and he's at least 4 years older - vaginal intercourse - it's second degree rape. She coulda wooed him with roses and serenaded him with Conway Twitty tunes, and it wouldn't matter.
bcp
In My Opinion
I thought that was Jerry Lee LewisSurely not Conway Twitty tunes....
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Surely not Conway Twitty tunes....
You know if Larry walked in the door and, in his deepest voice, said, 'Hello Darlin' - you know, you know you'd be like putty. Don't lie.
Per § 3-304, if a person engages in vaginal intercourse with someone who is under 14, and they themselves are at least 4 years older than the victim, then they have committed the felony of second degree rape, correct? The law makes no requirement that they be over 18, in order to be 'guilty of the felony of rape in the second degree', is that not correct?
That is correct.
With regard to what distinguishes first degree rape from second degree rape, I was listing various conditions which could distinguish them and I wasn't being particularly comprehensive in the technical description of those things. But, you are correct, technically I should have said 'Sometimes the distinction has to do with whether or not the act was committed 'by force, or the threat of force, without the consent' of the victim,'. Just as I condensed some of the other descriptions, I condensed that description to 'consent'. And people wonder why I'm so verbose and go to such lengths to be technically precise - see what happens when I cheat a little?
That said, there are circumstances where the presence or absence of that particular condition, as I've just described it, might distinguish first degree rape from second degree rape, per § 3-303 et seq.
Well who are you talking about then?
This is so true. I can't imagine what type of person would lay blame with the thirteen year old in a case such as this. I think this is why so many women are afraid to come forward when they are raped, because even in a case like this, where there is no question the man is wrong, people still look to place blame on the woman or girl.
mAlice
professional daydreamer
I agree, but my question is, when the little 13 year old tart is shoving it in someone's face, should she get a free pass to do it again? I mean, that's the lesson she's getting. Right?
What if it's a 17 year old girl, and a 20 year old guy?
17 and 20 is legal, I believe.
A 13 year old who was putting it out there would be considered delinquent, and her parents would get in trouble. She may be removed from the household or whatever they do with kids who're running wild with no parental supervision.
PS, we do not know that the girl from this story was a kiddie slut. As far as we know, she was forcibly raped.