*Some* Europeans do get it...

[Pete]

It was stable, other than the kuwait thing he wasnt trying to take over other nations.... He didnt pose a threat to the world, contrary to what the government said... Now north korea, iran, syria.... And i think ill stay in the US just to spite you

He tried for 8 years to take over Iran. He did take over Kuait, and if he had been allowed to stay and arm himself better with Mirage fighters and German artilery pieces with his new found revenue form Kuait how long until he moved on Saudi Arabia? The man was a butcher and a lose cannon. 9/11 finally awoke common sence in our foriegn policy. The world wants to hear our bugle sound charge when they are in trouble and that is wrong, they should like to hear it before they are in trouble.

The absence of WMD's does not negate the fact he would not comply with UN mandates and allow unfettered inspections. He chose to play a game and his bluff got called. It amazes me the hypocrisy of the left that wants the UN to be the world court but does not want its findings and proclaimations enforced.

Anytime you sit smack dab in the middle of the world oil reserves and willy nilly wage war on your neighbors you are a world threat, end of story.

 

[Spoiled]

"Other than that Kuwait thing..."

That was daddy bush, and its not my fault he didnt finish the job when he had a real reason and a chance...

 

[Spoiled]

The absence of WMD's does not negate the fact he would not comply with UN mandates and allow unfettered inspections.

Israel has violated more UN legislation than any other nation, and what do we do? oh yes fund them and openly support them

 

[2ndAmendment]

Lets see, what european nation had the resources to get in an arms race with the USSR? and reagon just engaged them in a second arms race.... They collapsed from the inside... reagon just sped up what would happen in the near future... They western european nations did help as well, they resisted the reds, they gave the US support and an alliance...


You want to talk about being isolationists, take a look at world war 2...

Do you read history, or do you just like to make it up?

 

[Spoiled]

Do you read history, or do you just like to make it up?

please point out my flaws... I am taking a history class about european civilization, a political science class which is covering the same stuff and a class on the middle east (israel/palestine conflict)


I can go through my book and cite my stuff

 

[2ndAmendment]

It was all over land, and colonizing... The US currently has Guam, Hawaii, Peurto Rice and several other place, and places where our sphere of influence so great it could be considered a colony...

Did you miss the history lesson where Hawaii became a state? 1959 was the year as I remember it. Both Hawaii and Alaska became states that year.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It was stable, other than the kuwait thing he wasnt trying to take over other nations.... He didnt pose a threat to the world, contrary to what the government said... Now north korea, iran, syria.... And i think ill stay in the US just to spite you

Since you won't leave the U.S., would you consider leaving the forum?

 

[Spoiled]

Did you miss the history lesson where Hawaii became a state? 1959 was the year as I remember it. Both Hawaii and Alaska became states that year.

Algeria was also a part of France... India part of britain... Im sure you can figure out other nations too...

 

[2ndAmendment]

That was daddy bush, and its not my fault he didnt finish the job when he had a real reason and a chance...

History lesson lost again? The former President Bush agreed before the start of hostilities that the U.S. would not destroy Iraq or remove Saddam from power.

 

[Spoiled]

Since you won't leave the U.S., would you consider leaving the forum?

After you...

 

[SmallTown]

History lesson lost again? The former President Bush agreed before the start of hostilities that the U.S. would not destroy Iraq or remove Saddam from power.

at the time, did you feel that was the right call?

 

[2ndAmendment]

please point out my flaws... I am taking a history class about european civilization, a political science class which is covering the same stuff and a class on the middle east (israel/palestine conflict)


I can go through my book and cite my stuff

When was your textbook written? Last 20 years? I wouldn't believe much of any history book written since the evolution of liberal revisionist history. The liberal professors and writers are as guilty as the Nazi of rewriting history to fit their view of the world.

 

[Spoiled]

History lesson lost again? The former President Bush agreed before the start of hostilities that the U.S. would not destroy Iraq or remove Saddam from power.

My point was, he did not remove saddam, when he was invading other nations, using chemical weapons, etc... I think i got my history right, Saddam was still there when former president bush left office, correct?

 

[Spoiled]

When was your textbook written? Last 20 years? I wouldn't believe much of any history book written since the evolution of liberal revisionist history. The liberal professors and writers are as guilty as the Nazi of rewriting history to fit their view of the world.

Considering they need to cover the cold war, yes they were written fairly recently... If you dont like it, why dont you use your expert knowledge to write one...

 

[2ndAmendment]

at the time, did you feel that was the right call?
Today 09:25 PM

It was the right thing to do to honor commitments made to allies. Did I like it? No. But it was right.

My point was, he did not remove saddam, when he was invading other nations, using chemical weapons, etc... I think i got my history right, Saddam was still there when former president bush left office, correct?

The fact that Saddam was still in power is correct. The fact that President Bush #41 was responsible is not.

 

[Spoiled]

The fact that Saddam was still in power is correct. The fact that President Bush #41 was responsible is not.

Who was incharge of US troops in Feb. 1991?

 

[vraiblonde]

That was daddy bush, and its not my fault he didnt finish the job when he had a real reason and a chance...

Has anyone reminded (told) you WHY Daddy Bush didn't "finish the job"?

Because that's all the UN approved him to do - chase him back to Iraq. So now we know where UN approval gets us, don't we? 10 years later, same old problem.

And that's why Bush told the UN to stuff it and went after Saddam anyway. So he could "finish the job" that Democrats gnashed their teeth over.

 

[Pete]

Israel has violated more UN legislation than any other nation, and what do we do? oh yes fund them and openly support them

If you are speaking about Gaza, Golan Heights and the west bank I cannot disagree. However the they were not beaten in a war and as a stipulation of that beating agreed to withdraw, as a matter of fact they won territory after a suprise attack from all sides. To the victor go the spoils and it has been argued that the UN did not have authority nor precedent to force them to give back territory captured after they were attacked. The UN resolutions forcing them to move back were forced by the sneaky dogs that attacked them in the first place.

 

[Spoiled]

If you are speaking about Gaza, Golan Heights and the west bank I cannot disagree. However the they were not beaten in a war and as a stipulation of that beating agreed to withdraw, as a matter of fact they won territory after a suprise attack from all sides. To the victor go the spoils and it has been argued that the UN did not have authority nor precedent to force them to give back territory captured after they were attacked. The UN resolutions forcing them to move back were forced by the sneaky dogs that attacked them in the first place.

The UN created Israel, (w/ british land) why cant they tell them what to do?

 

[Pete]

The UN created Israel, (w/ british land) why cant they tell them what to do?

I would think the minute that Isreal created a government and was granted soveriegnty the UN ceased having authority.

You are trying to argue apples and oranges. True Isreal is violating resolutions but they are doing it as a self preservation measure. They were attacked, not that once but several times. They expanded their borders with captured territories the last time. It is not like they attacked Jordan, Egypt and Syria to gain land.

Iraq on the other hand cannot even be closely compared to Isreal, the circumstances are totally different.