Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
From Sunday's Post, a store manager at the Mall was held up at gunpoint, robbed, beaten and abducted in the parking lot at closing time by a former employee. The assistant manager saw what happened and called the police, who apparently were unable to respond quick enough. Then, this poor manager was driven to Accokeek (?) shot in the leg and let out of the car with facial injuries, a gunshot wound, and broken leg and left on the side of the road.
There are plenty of places to shop in St. Mary's, and if they don't have it, there's a dot-com somewhere with what you need. Who needs the mall?
There are plenty of places to shop in St. Mary's, and if they don't have it, there's a dot-com somewhere with what you need. Who needs the mall?
Cletus_Vandam
New Member
Response to SmallTown
Nothing short of staying inside a APC (amoured personnel carrier) will protect you from getting capped in the back of the head...
I guarantee you that if Maryland became a State that allowed concealed carry permits on a regular basis, the violent crime rate in Maryland would decline. 90% of the criminals out there would wonder whether or not you were carrying a burner to protect yourself and they would think twice about trying to make you a victim. As for the other 10%, there's nothing that's going to deter them.
Another reply to a similar subject was made by someone else (Larry Gude-maybe, I've forgotten now) stating that he was amazed at how people fear the law abiding citizens who want to carry a weapon to protect themselves, more than they fear criminals themselves....
Your comment seems to lend support to his observation.
The only thing that that gun control is successful in doing is taking away a means for the normal citizens to protect themselves, thus making them easier "marks" for the thugs. This is proving itself very well in countries like Austrialia and Canada right now, where they have basically outlawed owning a gun. I'd like to see all the well-wishers of gun control move to one of these countires and give living there a try... But wait, the Kathleen Kennedy's out there would still have thier armed body-guards and enough money that they don't need to travel anywhere but a place like Rodeo Drive to do their "shopping". So, what's their risk?
Nothing short of staying inside a APC (amoured personnel carrier) will protect you from getting capped in the back of the head...
I guarantee you that if Maryland became a State that allowed concealed carry permits on a regular basis, the violent crime rate in Maryland would decline. 90% of the criminals out there would wonder whether or not you were carrying a burner to protect yourself and they would think twice about trying to make you a victim. As for the other 10%, there's nothing that's going to deter them.
Another reply to a similar subject was made by someone else (Larry Gude-maybe, I've forgotten now) stating that he was amazed at how people fear the law abiding citizens who want to carry a weapon to protect themselves, more than they fear criminals themselves....
Your comment seems to lend support to his observation.
The only thing that that gun control is successful in doing is taking away a means for the normal citizens to protect themselves, thus making them easier "marks" for the thugs. This is proving itself very well in countries like Austrialia and Canada right now, where they have basically outlawed owning a gun. I'd like to see all the well-wishers of gun control move to one of these countires and give living there a try... But wait, the Kathleen Kennedy's out there would still have thier armed body-guards and enough money that they don't need to travel anywhere but a place like Rodeo Drive to do their "shopping". So, what's their risk?
Bonehead
Well-Known Member
You can frigging well forget a CC permit in Maryland. The "Free State". I used to sell firarms (Federal License) and traveled to shows etc. with a boatload of firarms. In the State Police estimation I had no valid reason for a CCW permit. I would not bother. Move to Va. all you need is a simple class and by law the State has to issue a permit.
SmallTown
Football season!
Re: Response to SmallTown
So in the same post you agree with my statement, then blast gun control. So which is it?
I'm in full support of cwp, but I also know it gives people a false sense of security which can also be dangerous. There are certain areas I don't go to now, and those are the same areas I wouldn't go to even I was carrying a gun and everyone knew it. While others will think "I have a gun, nothing to worry about"
As much as people harp on people fearing law abiding citizens, I find it very dangerous that criminals will also think like rational law abiding citizens and that if they think you may have a gun, they won't come after you.
Originally posted by Cletus_Vandam
Nothing short of staying inside a APC (amoured personnel carrier) will protect you from getting capped in the back of the head...
amazed at how people fear the law abiding citizens who want to carry a weapon to protect themselves, more than they fear criminals themselves....
Your comment seems to lend support to his observation.
So in the same post you agree with my statement, then blast gun control. So which is it?
I'm in full support of cwp, but I also know it gives people a false sense of security which can also be dangerous. There are certain areas I don't go to now, and those are the same areas I wouldn't go to even I was carrying a gun and everyone knew it. While others will think "I have a gun, nothing to worry about"
As much as people harp on people fearing law abiding citizens, I find it very dangerous that criminals will also think like rational law abiding citizens and that if they think you may have a gun, they won't come after you.
Cletus_Vandam
New Member
Small Town
if you are in support of concealed carry I'll take off my boxing gloves-your a friend, not a foe. I can see your point about there being a false sense. But, I would take having a false sense while carrying versus being scarred out of my wits and only having a pocket knife.
if you are in support of concealed carry I'll take off my boxing gloves-your a friend, not a foe. I can see your point about there being a false sense. But, I would take having a false sense while carrying versus being scarred out of my wits and only having a pocket knife.
Normal Guy
New Member
I live near the mall and shop there frequently. I've never had a problem and never felt threatened. I've lived in NYC , and work in SE DC, so Waldorf still seems pretty safe to me.
Park in well lighted areas, be aware of your surroundings and use common sense. I've never felt the need to carry a weapon around Charles County.
Park in well lighted areas, be aware of your surroundings and use common sense. I've never felt the need to carry a weapon around Charles County.
willie
Well-Known Member
Re: Small Town
I think there are many, many people that should be able to carry a weapon. The guy that makes big bank deposits, convenience store managers and anyone else that is truly at risk. The macho guy that has anger management problems is the one that should never be allowed in public with a weapon. In this area ccw permits won't put a dent in violent crime rates. It's thugs killing thugs.
Put the gloves back on Clete. All of you ccw advocates keep using the words fear and scared. It is the guys that so desperately need the carry permit that seem to have all this fear of the imaginary bogey man. You people use the phrase "we have to take back our streets". I don't want their ugly streets and there is no one on those streets I even need to visit. The Waldorf mall is getting a bit ugly and it will probably end up like Landover but not any time soon. The Waldorf mall was packed this week end and I did not see anyone that appeared to be scared. There was the usual tribe of loudmouths with their underdrawers up to their ribs but nothing threatening.
I think there are many, many people that should be able to carry a weapon. The guy that makes big bank deposits, convenience store managers and anyone else that is truly at risk. The macho guy that has anger management problems is the one that should never be allowed in public with a weapon. In this area ccw permits won't put a dent in violent crime rates. It's thugs killing thugs.
Hessian
Well-Known Member
Social experiment..
I have felt that if a collection of tall, imposing men were to form in groups of 20 and corner a few of the punks or get license numbers of their ghetto mobiles they would get the idea that they are not welcome.
Our normal behavior allows them to strutt and puff their crap. we look away, pretend they don't offend us, and move away....what would stun them is if mass numbers of MEN would do the opposite:
Get in their face...follow them...intimidate.
However...this would naturally turn into a civil rights issue and this "vigilanteism" would be seen as a bigger threat than the lowlifes picking off the occassional shopper.
(Don't you think that marsh behind the Mall would be a great place to use as a dunking tank...18th century justice?)
I have felt that if a collection of tall, imposing men were to form in groups of 20 and corner a few of the punks or get license numbers of their ghetto mobiles they would get the idea that they are not welcome.
Our normal behavior allows them to strutt and puff their crap. we look away, pretend they don't offend us, and move away....what would stun them is if mass numbers of MEN would do the opposite:
Get in their face...follow them...intimidate.
However...this would naturally turn into a civil rights issue and this "vigilanteism" would be seen as a bigger threat than the lowlifes picking off the occassional shopper.
(Don't you think that marsh behind the Mall would be a great place to use as a dunking tank...18th century justice?)
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darkriver4362
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Napalm 
Chasey_Lane
Salt Life
Care to explain?Originally posted by chrissyhh
It will become another Landover or Iverson Mall in time, I just hope that I don't live here then.
Ponytail
New Member
I'm surprised to read this stuff about St' Charles place. I don't go there often, but the few times that i have been up there, I though that it was a really nice mall. Dunno...maybe I'm 'hangin' on the wrong corners again. I usually park and start my mall walk from Sears.
After reading this though, I think I'm gonna be pickin up a Derringer on my next trip home, or a "throw-away".
I never needed one, or felt that I needed to carry though in all the places and shady areas that I used to frequent in Philly.
But then the gangs and thugs in Philly weren't as "glamorous as these peeps are. the Philly thugs had other places to go, than to the mall.
After reading this though, I think I'm gonna be pickin up a Derringer on my next trip home, or a "throw-away".
I never needed one, or felt that I needed to carry though in all the places and shady areas that I used to frequent in Philly.
But then the gangs and thugs in Philly weren't as "glamorous as these peeps are. the Philly thugs had other places to go, than to the mall.
CowGirlUp
Yeee hawww
KIDNAPING: On May 28 at approximately 10 p.m., a 21-year-old Baltimore man was in the parking lot of the St. Charles Towne Center in the 11000 block of Mall Circle in Waldorf when a suspect approached him and forced him into a vehicle, which is described as a dark-colored early 90's model Pontiac Grand
Am. The suspect assaulted and shot the victim and left him in the 1800 block of Accokeek Road in Prince George's County. A citizen located the victim and notified the Prince George's County Police Department. The victim was flown to Prince George's General Hospital where he is in stable condition.
During the course of the investigation, detectives identified a suspect, Jacobi Marquette Williams, 17, of Waldorf. Detectives obtained an arrest warrant for Williams on May 31, and the warrant was served on June 2. Williams was charged with Attempted First Degree Murder, First Degree
Assault, Second Degree Assault, Reckless Endangerment and Kidnaping.
Am. The suspect assaulted and shot the victim and left him in the 1800 block of Accokeek Road in Prince George's County. A citizen located the victim and notified the Prince George's County Police Department. The victim was flown to Prince George's General Hospital where he is in stable condition.
During the course of the investigation, detectives identified a suspect, Jacobi Marquette Williams, 17, of Waldorf. Detectives obtained an arrest warrant for Williams on May 31, and the warrant was served on June 2. Williams was charged with Attempted First Degree Murder, First Degree
Assault, Second Degree Assault, Reckless Endangerment and Kidnaping.
mainman
Set Trippin
This was a disgruntled employee...Originally posted by CowGirlUp
KIDNAPING: On May 28 at approximately 10 p.m., a 21-year-old Baltimore man was in the parking lot of the St. Charles Towne Center in the 11000 block of Mall Circle in Waldorf when a suspect approached him and forced him into a vehicle, which is described as a dark-colored early 90's model Pontiac Grand
Am. The suspect assaulted and shot the victim and left him in the 1800 block of Accokeek Road in Prince George's County. A citizen located the victim and notified the Prince George's County Police Department. The victim was flown to Prince George's General Hospital where he is in stable condition.
During the course of the investigation, detectives identified a suspect, Jacobi Marquette Williams, 17, of Waldorf. Detectives obtained an arrest warrant for Williams on May 31, and the warrant was served on June 2. Williams was charged with Attempted First Degree Murder, First Degree
Assault, Second Degree Assault, Reckless Endangerment and Kidnaping.
willie
Well-Known Member
There is nothing wrong with the Waldorf mall except the occasional band of ghetto loudmouths that have no respect for anyone or anything. That is exactly how the demise of Landover and Iverson malls started. At this time it is just an irritation but history tells us where it will lead. Since this last disgruntled ex employee kidnapped his boss and shot him, when was the last violent act at the mall? A long time ago. I agreed to the Napalm in jest....I think.Originally posted by Chasey_Lane
Care to explain?
Nickel
curiouser and curiouser
Since it's the first incident in a long time couldn't it be described as a random occurance? I've never felt intimidated at the mall, even by myself as a female at night. I'm aware of my surroundings and don't put my self in shady situations, nothing's happened to me yet (I stress yet because things happen that you can't control). As far as the "ghetto loudmouth" problem, that's everywhere. You won't find a mall in the country without it's share of miscreants. St Charles Towne Center is actually in the works of enforcing the "no loitering" rule. 9 times out of 10, the "ghetto loudmouth" is just a kid with nothing better to do than stand around talking smack. Leave them alone, and you'll find that usually they'll do the same.