Student debt relief/forgiveness

Bare-ya-cuda

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That was probably the time when student loans were still dischargeable - and the smart among us declared bankruptcy before the cap hit the ground.
So you declare bankruptcy to keep from having to pay your debts. You portraying yourself as a fiscal genius was all a ruse.
 

RoseRed

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Popular Fox News host Greg Gutfeld made it clear Tuesday that he was not interested in discussing student loan debt cancellation.

Gutfeld made the comments during a discussion on the network’s juggernaut panel show “The Five,” saying that stopping plans to cancel student debt was something he would “go to war for.”

 

SamSpade

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Popular Fox News host Greg Gutfeld made it clear Tuesday that he was not interested in discussing student loan debt cancellation.

Gutfeld made the comments during a discussion on the network’s juggernaut panel show “The Five,” saying that stopping plans to cancel student debt was something he would “go to war for.”


I'd agree on an experiential level that a degree does not confer the needed knowledge but the problem is STILL THIS - when you apply for most jobs - and it requires a degree - you are NOT going to be interviewed if you don't have it, no matter how smart you are or how much knowledge you have in the field. Companies do not interview every candidate - they look over resumes and they get about 100 times too many and they toss anything that doesn't have the keywords they want.

So you do need a degree, or you don't get the interview.
 

RoseRed

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I'd agree on an experiential level that a degree does not confer the needed knowledge but the problem is STILL THIS - when you apply for most jobs - and it requires a degree - you are NOT going to be interviewed if you don't have it, no matter how smart you are or how much knowledge you have in the field. Companies do not interview every candidate - they look over resumes and they get about 100 times too many and they toss anything that doesn't have the keywords they want.

So you do need a degree, or you don't get the interview.
I don't have a degree and have been gainfully employed for decades.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
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Based on what I've seen over the last 20 years as a Govt. contractor, any degree obtained since the late 90s seem to be worthless anymore.
 

SamSpade

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I don't have a degree and have been gainfully employed for decades.

You're lucky. There are loads of careers where they simply will not hire without the credentials. Obviously, law and medicine, but science, math and engineering as well.

I have a nephew who has no degree but does well because he runs his own business - he's brilliant with computers, but could not get a computer job without the degree. He'd even written game apps for phones - so he IS smart. He has a game shop business similar to High Tides.

I've no doubt someone can be gainfully employed without a degree - I also know that if you want a specific career that requires it, you're not going to be interviewed. HR tosses your resume right away.

The only thing I know of that can substitute is military training, and even then most companies I worked for will SEND a veteran to school while he is on the job.
 

SamSpade

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Based on what I've seen over the last 20 years as a Govt. contractor, any degree obtained since the late 90s seem to be worthless anymore.
Tend to agree. Back in the 90's we hired a person with an MIS degree. She could not grasp simple concepts such as drag and drop and how files are stored. IIRC, she believed data was actually saved IN THE APP ITSELF.

I also began my first job alongside two engineers without a degree - they were both mostly self-taught although one was ex-military but not trained in electronics. I doubt either one knew much about physics, chemistry or calculus (or any advanced math) but both could design a circuit that could do just about anything, and they had similar skill in mechanics and designing machines.

I do think such situations are rare UNLESS someone is determined to learn. You don't acquire that kind of skill without considerable effort.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

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I'd agree on an experiential level that a degree does not confer the needed knowledge but the problem is STILL THIS - when you apply for most jobs - and it requires a degree - you are NOT going to be interviewed if you don't have it, no matter how smart you are or how much knowledge you have in the field. Companies do not interview every candidate - they look over resumes and they get about 100 times too many and they toss anything that doesn't have the keywords they want.

So you do need a degree, or you don't get the interview.
I have never had an employer ask for verification of my degree.
 

RoseRed

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PREMO Member
Didn't the state government recently stop requiring degrees for certain positions?
 

PeoplesElbow

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I have never had an employer ask for verification of my degree.
I have, even with the same employer years later I had to supply proof for a promotion.

It isn't hard, you just get your schools department of records to send it. I think I had to pay $5 each time.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Me neither, since at this point, I don't have it. Proof, that is. They just take my word for it.
You don't provide the proof, you have to have your schools dept of records provide it, usually for a fee. Diplomas can be faked, I actually got a spam email where I could buy a diploma from any school for $15.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
You don't provide the proof, you have to have your schools dept of records provide it, usually for a fee. Diplomas can be faked, I actually got a spam email where I could buy a diploma from any school for $15.
Send me that link... I've always wanted one from Hogwarts!
 
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