Stupid Motorcyclist

blacklabman

Well-Known Member
But isn't that redundant.

Ealier today, while driving down Town Creek Drive in California, I spotted a motorcyclist driving along with a baseball cap on (backwards of course). Under his left arm he was holding a helmet. Now that's stupid. He deserves anything that happens to him. I just hope he doesn't hurt an innocent.
 

meme

The Smart Hooker
There isn't a helmet law here in Florida so I see alot of morons out there on the wrong without helmets. Bad thing is, they can barely drive there motorcycle.

The one thing that pisses me off is that these people will allow their very small children to ride with them (either front or back of motorcycle) and they don't even wear helmets! These parents need to be smacked! :spank:
 

Pete

Repete
meme said:
There isn't a helmet law here in Florida so I see alot of morons out there on the wrong without helmets. Bad thing is, they can barely drive there motorcycle.

The one thing that pisses me off is that these people will allow their very small children to ride with them (either front or back of motorcycle) and they don't even wear helmets! These parents need to be smacked! :spank:
define very small
 
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libragirl

Guest
what about when they have shorts on?? ouch!!! if you fall off going 55 or over
 

Pushrod

Patriot
For one,
mandatory helmets laws are like mandatory seatbelt laws, the government has not right to dictate to the people how they conduct their lives, as long as those people are not infringing on other peoples rights.

Now if the idiot wants to ride his bike that way then he assumes the risk and will pay the price if he crashes.

As far as putting young children on the bike, as long as you take all possible safety precautions for them, then there is nothing wrong with it, its a legal means of transportation.

The nanny state mentality of the government has to end.
 

CMC122

Go Braves!
libragirl said:
what about when they have shorts on?? ouch!!! if you fall off going 55 or over
Road rash get's them good no matter what speed they are going.

I scrapped one guy off the road when he dropped his bike going 95mph. He kept crying "Why didn't I have my leather on!" His jeans did nothing for him:ohwell:
 

Normal Guy

New Member
This is wrong on so many levels...

Stupid Motorcyclist.... But isn't that redundant.
He deserves anything that happens to him. I just hope he doesn't hurt an innocent.

Judging a person by the form of transportation they choose is ridiculous. Maybe the risks associated with riding a m/c are too high for you, fine, don't ride. But why must you impose your phobias, values, or whatever, on someone else, or a whole group of people by calling them stupid just because they aren't just like you?

Everytime I see a m/c go by where the rider is wearing less than full gear I say a quick prayer that they never have to find out what a poor decision I feel they've made, or experience the agony of road rash. Yes, they are responsible for the choices they make, just like all of us, I'm just glad I've never gotten everything I "deserve" for some of the poor choices in my life.
 

duzzey1

New Member
You know what I can't stand? I can't stand those riders that feel that they own the road and they MUST drive at 200+ mph pm a public road! :tantrum
 

Normal Guy

New Member
You know what I can't stand? I can't stand those riders that feel that they own the road and they MUST drive at 200+ mph pm a public road!

Gotta agree....same goes for those drivers in cars doing the same thing. The public roadways are no place for road racing wannabes on, or in, any type of vehicle.
 

Bogart

New Member
blacklabman said:
But isn't that redundant.

Ealier today, while driving down Town Creek Drive in California, I spotted a motorcyclist driving along with a baseball cap on (backwards of course). Under his left arm he was holding a helmet. Now that's stupid. He deserves anything that happens to him. I just hope he doesn't hurt an innocent.
Looks like you got a full creel!
 

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duzzey1

New Member
The thing is, most of these sportbike drivers are not professionally trained riders. Most of them have had a year or less on the road and would probably not be able to negotiate sudden events, i.e. sudden lane changes. Its even less likely that they would be able to accomplish these things at such great speeds. The chance for loss of life is extremely high!
 

Bogart

New Member
duzzey1 said:
The thing is, most of these sportbike drivers are not professionally trained riders. Most of them have had a year or less on the road and would probably not be able to negotiate sudden events, i.e. sudden lane changes. Its even less likely that they would be able to accomplish these things at such great speeds. The chance for loss of life is extremely high!
I think you and Petter Solberg would get along famously :yay:
 

Normal Guy

New Member
Okay, the last report compiled on m/c accidents was done by the Traffic Safety Center at USC. It's typically referred to as the "Hurt Reporet" after the primary researcher. You can read all the findings at: Hurt Report

I've copied some that are relevent to our discussion. Of interest, I believe, is number 16 - regarding speeds, and number 7 regarding the predominant cause of m/c accidents. Number 37 shows that riders are very likely to be injured (duh), and some of the others talk about helmet use and rider training.

Personally, I feel that all riders should have to attend Motorcycle Safety Training classes before being given licenses, instead of just passing written and practical tests. Unfortunately, these classes are often so full, people can't get in for 4-6 months.

Summary of Findings

Throughout the accident and exposure data there are special observations which relate to accident and injury causation and characteristics of the motorcycle accidents studied. These findings are summarized as follows:

1. Approximately three-fourths of these motorcycle accidents involved collision with another vehicle, which was most often a passenger automobile.

4. In single vehicle accidents, motorcycle rider error was present as the accident precipitating factor in about two-thirds of the cases, with the typical error being a slideout and fall due to overbraking or running wide on a curve due to excess speed or under-cornering.

6. In multiple vehicle accidents, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle right-of-way and caused the accident in two-thirds of those accidents.

7. The failure of motorists to detect and recognize motorcycles in traffic is the predominating cause of motorcycle accidents. The driver of the other vehicle involved in collision with the motorcycle did not see the motorcycle before the collision, or did not see the motorcycle until too late to avoid the collision.

10. Intersections are the most likely place for the motorcycle accident, with the other vehicle violating the motorcycle right-of-way, and often violating traffic controls.

14. Conspicuity of the motorcycle is a critical factor in the multiple vehicle accidents, and accident involvement is significantly reduced by the use of motorcycle headlamps (on in daylight) and the wearing of high visibility yellow, orange or bright red jackets.

16. The median pre-crash speed was 29.8 mph, and the median crash speed was 21.5 mph, and the one-in-a-thousand crash speed is approximately 86 mph.

20. Motorcycle riders between the ages of 16 and 24 are significantly overrepresented in accidents; motorcycle riders between the ages of 30 and 50 are significantly underrepresented. Although the majority of the accident-involved motorcycle riders are male (96%), the female motorcycles riders are significantly overrepresented in the accident data.

22. Craftsmen, laborers, and students comprise most of the accident-involved motorcycle riders. Professionals, sales workers, and craftsmen are underrepresented and laborers, students and unemployed are overrepresented in the accidents.

24. The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.

25. More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly underrepresented in the accident data.

27. Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement.

31. The driver of the other vehicles involved in collision with the motorcycle are not distinguished from other accident populations except that the ages of 20 to 29, and beyond 65 are overrepresented. Also, these drivers are generally unfamiliar with motorcycles.

37. The likelihood of injury is extremely high in these motorcycle accidents-98% of the multiple vehicle collisions and 96% of the single vehicle accidents resulted in some kind of injury to the motorcycle rider; 45% resulted in more than a minor injury.

38. Half of the injuries to the somatic regions were to the ankle-foot, lower leg, knee, and thigh-upper leg.

40. The use of heavy boots, jacket, gloves, etc., is effective in preventing or reducing abrasions and lacerations, which are frequent but rarely severe injuries.

42. Injury severity increases with speed, alcohol involvement and motorcycle size.

45. Voluntary safety helmet use by those accident-involved motorcycle riders was lowest for untrained, uneducated, young motorcycle riders on hot days and short trips.

46. The most deadly injuries to the accident victims were injuries to the chest and head.

47. The use of the safety helmet is the single critical factor in the prevention of reduction of head injury; the safety helmet which complies with FMVSS 218 is a significantly effective injury countermeasure.

49. FMVSS 218 provides a high level of protection in traffic accidents, and needs modification only to increase coverage at the back of the head and demonstrate impact protection of the front of full facial coverage helmets, and insure all adult sizes for traffic use are covered by the standard.

50. Helmeted riders and passengers showed significantly lower head and neck injury for all types of injury, at all levels of injury severity.

51. The increased coverage of the full facial coverage helmet increases protection, and significantly reduces face injuries.

52. There is no liability for neck injury by wearing a safety helmet; helmeted riders had less neck injuries than unhelmeted riders. Only four minor injuries were attributable to helmet use, and in each case the helmet prevented possible critical or fatal head injury.

53. Sixty percent of the motorcyclists were not wearing safety helmets at the time of the accident. Of this group, 26% said they did not wear helmets because they were uncomfortable and inconvenient, and 53% simply had no expectation of accident involvement.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
The HURT report is like 40 years old. I don't think I'd be passing their statistics of as good data anymore.
I wear my helmet, my ballistic mesh jacket, gloves and boots that cover my ankels when I ride. When it's cooler, I switch back to the leather jacket and add chaps.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
blacklabman said:
But isn't that redundant.

Ealier today, while driving down Town Creek Drive in California, I spotted a motorcyclist driving along with a baseball cap on (backwards of course). Under his left arm he was holding a helmet. Now that's stupid. He deserves anything that happens to him. I just hope he doesn't hurt an innocent.
Yes, we should maim or kill people that do things you don't like. It would be a shame if he put a dent in the door of an innocent SUV
 

Normal Guy

New Member
The HURT report is like 40 years old. I don't think I'd be passing their statistics of as good data anymore.

You have better data? Yes, it's old, but it's still cited by almost every book & the Motorcycle Safety Foundation in their classes.

The point is so many people see the riders racing up and down the roads around here and assume they are causing lots of accidents and getting killed. While some of them do, it's not the majority.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Nothing better, but it's still an old report.Think I read something about the AMA (American Motorcyclist Assoc) working on getting funding for a new survey.
 

duzzey1

New Member
Normal Guy said:
You have better data? Yes, it's old, but it's still cited by almost every book & the Motorcycle Safety Foundation in their classes.

The point is so many people see the riders racing up and down the roads around here and assume they are causing lots of accidents and getting killed. While some of them do, it's not the majority.

Your right, however, it doesn't make it right for those bikers to ride like that. If I can't do it in my auto, then why should they THINK they can?
 
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