That's because your not a sheep. If you were to believe the fairy tale that the police will protect all of the people all of the time, then it's not such a hard pill to swallow.
Supreme Court Ruling on 2nd Amendment...
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AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Liberals that believe that gun laws make them safer are lying to themselves. Maybe if you could magically make every gun disappear from the planet it would make a difference but since we all know that is impossible why penalize the good guys that want to protect themselves and family?
Not to mention the real basis of the 2nd Amendment and that is to keep the govt. from walking all over it's citizens.
Not to mention the real basis of the 2nd Amendment and that is to keep the govt. from walking all over it's citizens.
drmatsci
New Member
I am not actually for banning all guns, my ideal world would be single shot .22 so you could target shoot or hunt, but find it real difficult to go and shoot up a store or school or do a drive bye. People love to say they need them for defense, and certainly it seems in this country you do, but its this country that has the highest gun crime of any nation and the highest ownsership of guns. That can't be just a happenstance.
As to government, I don't think that applies anymore. Honestly, not in this country. Many of the people that post here ARE government, or contractors for, who work on the base. I know what some would say, 'not that type of government, but leaders, or FBI, or CIA, or... '
Well, you know, any branch of government is made up of indiviudals, just like you and me. There is always a few bad apples, but look around at your coworkers and tell me these are the people trying to take over the country? I don't think so. No senetor or president is going to stay in office longer than they should. In fact, last time I checked, you have the right to be in that office if you want to run for it. If anything, I would say guns might be able to keep the rich from walking all over the poor but hardly any of the real government folk are rich.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Do you know one of the reasons nobody has ever invaded the US??
China has the military to do it, so did the Soviet Union, but the thought never even occured to them to do it. .. WHY? Private gun onership.
They outnumberred our military in planes, tanks and infantry, but they had NO idea how big our "militia" would be if they invaded. They could not only account for every single tank in our inventory, they could tell you where it was at any given time, but they COULDN'T tell you how many private gun owners there were in Denver CO, or how many guns there were in the houses on Main Street, Lusby MD.
They probably could have defeated our military, but they could never account, defeat or kill everyone in the "militia", our armed citizens.
There are rogue governments throughout the world that have started and are kept in power by their opressive gun laws. When you, the gov't, have all the guns, you have ALL the power.
drmatsci
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But ours, despite flaws, is not rogue. And our govrenment employees don't have government guns, with a few exceptions, most of this government is plain folks, workers at social security, Dod agencies, NOAA, FAA, NASA, etc etc etc, and by and large, NO guns! The military has them, yes, but the military is again made up of individuals again just like you and me.
Your WWII argument is no longer a valid one. China isn't going to invade us, our economy and theirs are hopelessly mixed now. They need us and we need them.
As a citizen I am more afraid of being shot by my neighbor anyday than needing a gun to overthrow my government. Besides, where are all these people that really need a gun to feel safe a night? Why the hell are you living in such a place? I sleep great at night w/o any gun in the house. I wouldn't want one, espicially with kids around. I just feel the second amdendment was written in a different age by different people and it no longer applies. I suspect the 'founders' never intended it to be used the way it has with weapons they could never have concieved of....
And you would be wrong by a vote of 5-4, the right of self defense was exactly the reason it was explicitly made an exclusion from government infringement.
You do realize that you still have the right to not own a gun and nothing in the decision forces you to own one?
drmatsci
New Member
Which is one reason I said that amendment needs to be changed or eliminated.
But I don't fear those not owning a gun, its all the crazies that feel they need one(s) that scare me. Like i said, 0.22 rifles, not an issue, but hand guns were made especially to kill people and I have a problem with that. Especially down here in St. Mary's county, you really don't need one. I gurantee more have died in St. Mary's county by having hand guns used on them than saved. Think about it, not too many devices specifically made to kill humans are legal to own. And they shouldn't be.
AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Ha, like what?
It was meant for citizens to have the same armarment as the military. What guns that citizens can own today are so outrageous you think the founding fathers wouldn't approve of?
Guess they would only approve of us defending ourselves with single shot .22's
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AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Which is one reason I said that amendment needs to be changed or eliminated.
But I don't fear those not owning a gun, its all the crazies that feel they need one(s) that scare me. Like i said, 0.22 rifles, not an issue, but hand guns were made especially to kill people and I have a problem with that. Especially down here in St. Mary's county, you really don't need one. I gurantee more have died in St. Mary's county by having hand guns used on them than saved. Think about it, not too many devices specifically made to kill humans are legal to own. And they shouldn't be.
Have you ever considered that a gun makes someone "equal" who is otherwise incabable of defending themselves? Yes, guns are made to kill, and they are also made to save lives.
You have a really warped view that gun control will make you safer. Is a criminal that is going to murder someone going to worry about the minor offense of carry a gun or obtaining a gun illegally?
So I say again how will gun control work if you can't eliminate every gun on the planet and the technology to produce them?
Has the need for self defense been eliminated? The amendment needs no change or removal, the governments (Fed, state, and local) just need to butt out of dictating what a citizen can have to protect themselves.Which is one reason I said that amendment needs to be changed or eliminated.
But I don't fear those not owning a gun, its all the crazies that feel they need one(s) that scare me. Like i said, 0.22 rifles, not an issue, but hand guns were made especially to kill people and I have a problem with that. Especially down here in St. Mary's county, you really don't need one. I gurantee more have died in St. Mary's county by having hand guns used on them than saved. Think about it, not too many devices specifically made to kill humans are legal to own. And they shouldn't be.
AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Guess the cops don't need them either then by your logic?
drmatsci
New Member
Obviosuly I am excluding law inforcement, since they need them to protect themselves from the crazies who shoot at folk when they knock to serve a warrant... the crazies that feel they need those guns to 'protect themselves'.
How many of you have ever used your guns to protect yourself? (Excluding law inforcement)
I think you guys had one thing right, guns are about power, people who own guns feel they have more power than others. Last I checked the bible said "though shall not kill" it didn't say "though shall not kill unless you own a gun, see US consitiution, you have a right to own a gun in case you need to shoot someone"
How many of you have ever used your guns to protect yourself? (Excluding law inforcement)
I think you guys had one thing right, guns are about power, people who own guns feel they have more power than others. Last I checked the bible said "though shall not kill" it didn't say "though shall not kill unless you own a gun, see US consitiution, you have a right to own a gun in case you need to shoot someone"
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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AK-74me
"Typical White Person"
Well I think you've proved you are an idiot by now in this thread, so there is no longer any point in going on after this response to you.
Obviously anyone that has not needed to use a gun for defense will never need it.
Guess I should throw away my fire extinguishers, since I never had a fire.
Cut out my seat belt since I have never been in a serious accident.
Take out my security system since my home has never been broken into.
End my life insurance policy since I have never died.
^
Same logic.
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theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
Well-Known Member
I like the life insurance analogy...That's one I haven't heard before 
So in your educated analytical engineering mind everyone with a gun is crazy?
Yes, I have used a gun to protect myself and when I leveled it on the bastage they turned and fled the property, no shots fired.
Power, yes, the power to protect one's self while awaiting the police to arrive. And the verse in my bible is "Thou shall not murder", killing in self defense is not murder.
drmatsci
New Member
We all form our opinions from experience. Out of everyone I have known, guns were used to kill, not to defend. One of my former coworkers decided he needed a hand gun to 'defend himself', he dooped another co worker into helping him get it and train him to use it. What did he do? A few years ago he shot his pregnent girlfriend to death and them himself, over in cove point by gate 3. So you will excuse me if I find guns more evil than good.
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The gun wasn't evil it was the dirtbag that used it that was evil. And excuse me if I find you stupid.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
Well-Known Member
One example of a loon who went BEHIND the system to get his gun. (was there maybe a reason he didn't want to get it himself?)