The 500 Thread

[MoparRacer896]

NASCAR made the right call. You can't run rain tires on an oval... they're not built the same as a road course or public road.

Never said anything about rain tires..??
Finish the race, would you end the superbowl @ halftime?? The DAYTONA 500
just can't end like that, fan accomodations, getting back to work, whatever...
it's gotta get completed.
Look @ the NHRA a couple weeks ago, that event took till Tuesday
to complete, and they started qualifying on Thursday.

 

[homedepot20]

JR needs to be PARKED, FINED & place on SUSPENSION . One of my JGR boys had a chance to win and JR thru his wisdom thought that it was all right to take out half the field because he was having a bad day and what was even more sad is that NASCAR allows him because of his name ,his daddy, and who he drives for!

 

[Otter]

JR needs to be PARKED, FINED & place on SUSPENSION . One of my JGR boys had a chance to win and JR thru his wisdom thought that it was all right to take out half the field because he was having a bad day and what was even more sad is that NASCAR allows him because of his name ,his daddy, and who he drives for!

Agree, but I've always hated the whiney boy. I think Rusty Wallace was his hero.

 

[Baja28]

Was there a race yesterday? Actually, I switched between it, the hockey game and an afternoon nap, and the Caps and my nap were far more exciting. I'm happy Tony got a top ten in his brand new (backup) car though!!

Tony could have won that thing!!

 

[mdeclipse03]

JR needs to be PARKED, FINED & place on SUSPENSION . One of my JGR boys had a chance to win and JR thru his wisdom thought that it was all right to take out half the field because he was having a bad day and what was even more sad is that NASCAR allows him because of his name ,his daddy, and who he drives for!

On the speed report, Jimmy Spencer was saying the same exact thing. Apparently the nationwide had a similar event and the guy got penalized 5 laps. JR would never get that though...oh and his interviews are horrible...he cant go 2 minutes without rubbing or doing something with his face.

 

[mdeclipse03]

Never said anything about rain tires..??
Finish the race, would you end the superbowl @ halftime?? The DAYTONA 500
just can't end like that, fan accomodations, getting back to work, whatever...
it's gotta get completed.
Look @ the NHRA a couple weeks ago, that event took till Tuesday
to complete, and they started qualifying on Thursday.

exactly..I couldn't have said it any better

 

[Otter]

The biggest race of the year should not end due to a rainout. I believe Nascar should start speedweeks 1 week earlier, and have an "off" week between Daytona & California, that would give them time to complete the race on Monday, or Tuesday, and still have plenty of time to get back to the shops and turn the cars around for the upcoming event out west.

I don't like rainouts either, but half the fans probably couldn't come back on a Monday, so they wouldn't see the end of the race anyway. I have season tix for Richmond and the only savior there is that the spring and fall races are Saturday night and if it rains, it isn't that hard to attend on Sunday. There's no real good solution for Daytona unless they move the race to Saturday night.

 

[toppick08]

Agree, but I've always hated the whiney boy. I think Rusty Wallace was his hero.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

JR needs to be PARKED, FINED & place on SUSPENSION . One of my JGR boys had a chance to win and JR thru his wisdom thought that it was all right to take out half the field because he was having a bad day and what was even more sad is that NASCAR allows him because of his name ,his daddy, and who he drives for!

Don't count on that happening.

I can't say that I know Junyer did that intentionally because I don't know if he did or not... but it looked intentional. And they penalized Leffler in the Nationwide race 5 laps for wrecking Wallace because it looked intentional.

Well, I'll be dammed... Junyer's bump looked more blatant than Lefflers. Let's be honest now, we're talking about one of the best RP racers in NASCAR. He knew when he should've come back up. Now, either it was an accident and it goes down with the rest of the "Junyer driving like an idiot" files from Sunday's race or it was intentional. Either way, I think it calls for a penalty.

NASCAR sets a precedent about things and then changes the rules every time one of their star drivers is involved in something. They changed the yellow-line rule after the Talladega race where they robbed Regan Smith (which, ironically, set the precedent for this race) and then can't follow it up on Sunday. They penalize drivers for rough driving on Saturday and then let their star driver wreck half the field.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

JR needs to be PARKED, FINED & place on SUSPENSION . One of my JGR boys had a chance to win and JR thru his wisdom thought that it was all right to take out half the field because he was having a bad day and what was even more sad is that NASCAR allows him because of his name ,his daddy, and who he drives for!

I hated his "bad luck" comment and wanted to throw a brick in the TV when he said that.

Sometimes, in racing, you create your own luck. Junyer's bad luck was him missing the pit because he couldn't see his sign (his fault) and him having his tire on the white line (his fault). And then he whined about the penalty for being a few inches out of his pit box and it wasn't a fair trade.

As far as the lot of you who don't think Junyer did any wrong, the crash was the exact same thing that happened at Richmond... so was Richmond Junyer's fault if blocking is dirty?

 

[Sweet 16]

NASCAR sets a precedent about things and then changes the rules every time one of their star drivers is involved in something.

NASCAR is very clear on the "no passing below the yellow line" rule as it applies to everyone.....except Jr. They didn't change the rule, they just choose to ignore it where Jr. is concerned. In none of the camera angles I saw does it look like he was forced down there and he was clearly attempting a pass. With all the 'mistakes' he made on Sunday, I would have pulled him over and done a field sobriety test!

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

NASCAR is very clear on the "no passing below the yellow line" rule as it applies to everyone.....except Jr. They didn't change the rule, they just choose to ignore it where Jr. is concerned. In none of the camera angles I saw does it look like he was forced down there and he was clearly attempting a pass. With all the 'mistakes' he made on Sunday, I would have pulled him over and done a field sobriety test!

Their call with Jr in 2003 was consistent with most other calls they've made. But they added a gray area about being forced down there. Ironically, it was Mr. Stewart who was the cause of that rule. There have been 2 occassions where the race winner made the move below the yellow line and NASCAR upheld it on both occassions.

Bottom line is NASCAR has a way of twisting and manipulating rules if there's a driver they want to win a race. If Stewart wasn't driving for one of the big 3 (Roush, Hendrick, Gibbs), Regan Smith's win would've been upheld. It was a call and NASCAR knew it, so what happened? NASCAR changed the rule to say "no passing under the yellow line, even if you are forced down there."

NASCAR send an email to every team and driver (and even press for that matter) notifying them of the rule change. Junyer knew Vickers' move was legal but he didn't like it so he gave him a shot to pay him back.

I don't think Jr meant to wreck half the field, but I do believe he meant to "rattle his cage." (anyone remember that race?)

 

[MoparRacer896]

I don't like rainouts either, but half the fans probably couldn't come back on a Monday, so they wouldn't see the end of the race anyway. I have season tix for Richmond and the only savior there is that the spring and fall races are Saturday night and if it rains, it isn't that hard to attend on Sunday. There's no real good solution for Daytona unless they move the race to Saturday night.

I can handle a rainout @ any other race than the Daytona 500. Whether there is 10,000 fans in thier seats on Monday or 100,000, ya gotta finish THAT race.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

I can handle a rainout @ any other race than the Daytona 500. Whether there is 10,000 fans in thier seats on Monday or 100,000, ya gotta finish THAT race.

The rules are very explicit. Once the race passes halfway, it's an official race. If it rains past halfway and they cannot resume the race at a reasonable hour, the race is over.

It was still raining at 11:30.

It sucks. I mean, I've been to several races that were rained out. Paid $550 in total for the hotel and everything for a race weekend up in New Jersey only for it to be called on lap 50. Was I pissed? Hell yeah. But, it happens and it's part of racing. It's part of the chance you take when you go to a NASCAR race. :shrug:

Richmond, for example, has a long history of getting rained out. At least one of their two NASCAR races get postponed for rain close to every year.

Remember, when NASCAR was created, nobody intended for it to get this big.

 

[nachomama]

The rules are very explicit. Once the race passes halfway, it's an official race. If it rains past halfway and they cannot resume the race at a reasonable hour, the race is over.

It was still raining at 11:30.

It sucks. I mean, I've been to several races that were rained out. Paid $550 in total for the hotel and everything for a race weekend up in New Jersey only for it to be called on lap 50. Was I pissed? Hell yeah. But, it happens and it's part of racing. It's part of the chance you take when you go to a NASCAR race. :shrug:

Richmond, for example, has a long history of getting rained out. At least one of their two NASCAR races get postponed for rain close to every year.

All you gotta do is think back to last weekend in Pomona. They were scheduled for qualifying Saturday and racing on Sunday. They got one round of qualifying in on Saturday and a few races in on Sunday. The rescheduled eliminations for Monday only to have it rain. They ended up having the eliminations on Tuesday. How many fans do you think were in attendance for that?

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

All you gotta do is think back to last weekend in Pomona. They were scheduled for qualifying Saturday and racing on Sunday. They got one round of qualifying in on Saturday and a few races in on Sunday. The rescheduled eliminations for Monday only to have it rain. They ended up having the eliminations on Tuesday. How many fans do you think were in attendance for that?

Drag Racing and NASCAR are two different things.

 

[nachomama]

Drag Racing and NASCAR are two different things.

Racing is racing. I'm just saying that it rained and the event was dragged on for days, when they probably could have just rescheduled the whole thing like they have done for Reading and Englishtown in the past.

While it would have been nice for them to complete the full 500 miles at Daytona, they chose not to. They probably could have finished it up on Monday, since it was a holiday, but the rules state that if a race reaches half-way it's official and if they choose to complete it to the end, it's their call. :shrug:

There are also a lot of low-budget teams that had to get back to their shops and get turned around and back on the road at this very moment to head to Cailfornia. Had they delayed it to yesterday, that would have been a pretty hard feat to accomplish.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Racing is racing. I'm just saying that it rained and the event was dragged on for days, when they probably could have just rescheduled the whole thing like they have done for Reading and Englishtown in the past.

While it would have been nice for them to complete the full 500 miles at Daytona, they chose not to. They probably could have finished it up on Monday, since it was a holiday, but the rules state that if a race reaches half-way it's official and if they choose to complete it to the end, it's their call. :shrug:

There are also a lot of low-budget teams that had to get back to their shops and get turned around and back on the road at this very moment to head to Cailfornia. Had they delayed it to yesterday, that would have been a pretty hard feat to accomplish.

There you have it.

NHRA doesn't give an eff about lower-budget teams... never have, never will.