The Bathroom 'Freedom Fighters'

[Tilted]

When I direct quote someone, I use the quote feature which is their own remarks with a link to the post in which they made them. If I do not include that, you should understand me to be paraphrasing.

It's like all the insistence on "opinion vs. fact" disclaimers. That is unnecessarily pedantic. One should presume that any statements someone makes on a public forum are their opinion and not "fact" unless backed up by links and citations.

I agree with you in the point you added (it wasn't there when I first responded). Context usually makes it clear that something is an opinion or whatever rather than a fact. By their nature somethings more or less have to be opinions.

But what I'm talking about is different - it's not like failing to add a disclaimer that something is opinion, it's like actually indicating that it's fact when it was meant as opinion. That is what full quotations are for - to say (without having to use so many words), this is what was actually said or written. For other stuff there's single quotations (and other options). One means one thing and the other means something else, like yes and no have different meanings so you might as well use the one that corresponds to the sentiment that you're trying to communicate.

 

[PsyOps]

Going forward I'll try to remember that (regarding posts from you) so as to avoid confusion.

Wait... What am I thinking? I'm sorry, but if you're going to insist on using full quotations (rather than, e.g., single quotations) in that way, then we're just not going to allow you to post here anymore.

A coup!

 

[Radiant1]

It seems to me that even in a casual environment paraphrasing someone should at least be accurate. When it cannot be verified in black and white, then the person paraphrasing loses credibility and/or integrity.

 

[vraiblonde]

Going forward I'll try to remember that (regarding posts from you) so as to avoid confusion.

Wait... What am I thinking? I'm sorry, but if you're going to insist on using full quotations (rather than, e.g., single quotations) in that way, then we're just not going to allow you to post here anymore.

Nice save.

 

[PsyOps]

It seems to me that even in a casual environment paraphrasing someone should at least be accurate. When it cannot be verified in black and white, then the person paraphrasing loses credibility and/or integrity.

Question for you... Why are we even considering these laws that allow e.g. transgender men into women's facilities? Why is this so important?

 

[vraiblonde]

It seems to me that even in a casual environment paraphrasing someone should at least be accurate. When it cannot be verified in black and white, then the person paraphrasing loses credibility and/or integrity.

You're just mad because you got busted either being dumb or miscommunicating. Answer my question so I know which it is:

What exactly do you not believe? That it will make it easier for predators to gain access, or you don't believe it will be easier for them?

 

[Radiant1]

Question for you... Why are we even considering these laws that allow e.g. transgender men into women's facilities? Why is this so important?

People are discriminated against, it's an election year, militant activists are going to be activists, Republicans needed to stir up the rednecks and alarmists. Take your pick.

You're just mad because you got busted either being dumb or miscommunicating. Answer my question so I know which it is:

Stop flattering yourself. I've made myself clear. You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're just being a ####.

Carry on.

 

[Gilligan]

I've made myself clear.

Obviously.

 

[DipStick]

Why are they calling this "anti LGBT legislation"? My understanding is the state is just knocking down city legislation that wasn't terribly well thought out and has the potential to be extremely harmful. How is that "anti" anything? In my mind it's pro- common sense. Pro safety. Anti putting women at risk from predators.

It's amazing to me how the media plays these word games to manipulate the public....and the public just accepts it without question.

North Carolina passed a law last year relating to "Religious Freedom" which made discrimination against LGBT people legal. And reaffirmed that with HB2.

You, like everyone else on here, are only looking at "bathrooms" and not the big picture.

Also, don't you see the irony in the state complaining about the federal government having too much power and taking power from the states, then turning around and taking power from the cities and counties because they don't like something?

 

[Gilligan]

You, like everyone else on here, are only looking at "bathrooms" and not the big picture.

No, I do realize that people pee in other places than just bathrooms. Behind trees and bushes, for example.

 

[stgislander]

Also, don't you see the irony in the state complaining about the federal government having too much power and taking power from the states, then turning around and taking power from the cities and counties because they don't like something?

No irony at all. States have always had the power to override cities and counties.

 

[DipStick]

No irony at all. States have always had the power to override cities and counties.

And the federal government has the power to override states.

Simply put, people don't mind when it's Republicans doing power grabs.

 

[stgislander]

And the federal government has the power to override states.

Simply put, people don't mind when it's Republicans doing power grabs.

Thanks to our Constitution, the federal government overriding the states is a tab bit more difficult than a state legislature overriding a city council. But you were just trying to make a political point about Republicans... gotcha.

 

[Gilligan]

And the federal government has the power to override states.

Only a very Constitutionally enumerated and limited set of powers, with everything else left to the states. When it comes right down to it, the Federal government only exists at all with the consent of the states.

 

[vraiblonde]

North Carolina passed a law last year relating to "Religious Freedom" which made discrimination against LGBT people legal. And reaffirmed that with HB2.

You're going to have to be specific as to what you consider "discrimination" because it seems to encompass someone feeling "uncomfortable" about their life choices and wanting the rest of the world to snuggle them until they feel better. I think that's bull#### and should be treated as such.

 

[vraiblonde]

Stop flattering yourself. I've made myself clear. You're either being deliberately obtuse or you're just being a ####.

Carry on.

So dumb, then?

 

[DipStick]

Thanks to our Constitution, the federal government overriding the states is a tab bit more difficult than a state legislature overriding a city council. But you were just trying to make a political point about Republicans... gotcha.

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy on the issue.

If a Democrat governor wrote a law declaring that counties and cities can't adopt their own laws because they don't like something a Republican did, y'all would be in outrage mode major.

 

[DipStick]

You're going to have to be specific as to what you consider "discrimination" because it seems to encompass someone feeling "uncomfortable" about their life choices and wanting the rest of the world to snuggle them until they feel better. I think that's bull#### and should be treated as such.

The laws in North Carolina where businesses can discriminate against LGBTs for religious reasons. And I've stated repeatedly that I think businesses should be able to discriminate against whoever they want for whatever reason they want, but that's not how it works.

Also, the law where government employees can refuse to issue marriage licenses to gay couples because of religious reasons. Can they deny licenses to people who are, say, having a third marriage or had a baby out of wedlock because religion? Of course not.

The message is clear. LGBT people aren't welcome in North Carolina, because the rednecks in Statesville, Hickory, Jones County and Johnston County don't like them.

 

[stgislander]

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy on the issue.

If a Democrat governor wrote a law declaring that counties and cities can't adopt their own laws because they don't like something a Republican did, y'all would be in outrage mode major.

So you are saying that HB2, that the Governor signed, includes language that the city of Charlotte and the counties of North Carolina can no longer write/pass their own laws. Got it.

 

[vraiblonde]

The laws in North Carolina where businesses can discriminate against LGBTs for religious reasons.

As in what? Not bake them a cake? Not give them an abortion? Not hire some terrible excuse for a tranny to man (ha) the reception desk at their law office? How exactly are businesses "allowed" to "discriminate"?