Larry Gude
Strung Out
Huh?
The Masters
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Huh?
PsyOps
Pixelated
You wrote:
I'm assuming you meant golf.
Given what we know about Tiger now: his failing marriage, all the swingin' affairs... what do you figure is first in his life now?
A. Golf
B. Family
C. How he can somehow get away with renting his next porn star
D. More rehab
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I meant Tigers dad taught him to make himself first. Golf, sponsors, chicks, toys, money, what have you.
Tiger, Tiger, Tiger.
PsyOps
Pixelated
And you see no change in him, do I understand this correctly?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Who knows? My comments are directed at his post round comments. They were 'old' Tiger, I think.
PsyOps
Pixelated
And this is what digs at me. I really wanted to like Tiger. He had the potential to make his mark on history as the greatest golfer ever. All the stars were aligned for him: great play, beautiful family, huge dollars, bigger-than-life personality...
Even now, he has a chance to redeem himself; and I still see the same old Tiger. But I'm a reasonable guy and perhaps he needs more time. I have to remember he is still a relatively young and immature dolt that too much got thrown at him too fast and just didn't know how to properly process it all in a rational way.
twinoaks207
Having Fun!
Okay, gotta call it like I see it. Bullchit! Behavior patterns are pretty much set by the late teens. It is extremely difficult to modify behavior after this age. By the time someone is in their thirties, what you see is pretty much what you're going to get. Absent a MAJOR life-changing event, change just ain't gonna happen. What you saw on the course was the same old Tiger. His "recent unpleasantness" wasn't even close to making it as a major life-changing event. He is what he is.
PsyOps
Pixelated
I agree it was the same old Tiger. You say "he is what he is", but when did he become that? My point is, when entered the PGA at 21 he was thrown $40 million from Nike and $20 million from Titleist, given instant fame, and told he was the greatest golfer before he even hit a ball. A kid's ability to properly process all of that at such an early age probably set the stage for some pretty screwed up thinking that carried to this day. And I don't think he had all that normal of a childhood either. A very strict regimen of golf from his disciplinarian dad. how many people have we seen fall from such a quick rise to fame and fortune?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Tiger is a jock and a celebrity. I would suggest you like him for his performance, or not, and not put much stock in his image. After all, it is an image and what do we actually know? You think Phil is actually an angel? Perfect hubby? Maybe so, maybe not. However, he DID conduct him self as a solid gentleman and sportsman for what we DO know; his time on the course.
It makes me laugh the people who are outraged over Jesse James and how he has soooo hurt poor Sandra when they, honestly have no idea. They know him personally? Her?
Is everyone gonna roll over and die if it is reported the next couple of months that Phil hasn't lived up to his image? Hell, people to this day, wanna believe JFK was some gem. Maybe he was? How about what we actually know; what we did as potus?
In any event, Tiger is a great golfer and will never be the best of all time. Jack Nicklaus holds that honor, by miles. He has more 2nds and 3rds than 1sts in majors and Tiger still has a long way to go to beat Jacks's firsts and that is because, on the course, Jack was better, every major, every round, every stroke. He nearly always got everything he could out of a round because, on the course, the GAME was always most important, not Jack.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I seriously doubt Tiger was hanging with strippers when he was a teenager or even when he was in his 20's. I think all this started after his marriage AND after he had kids AND after his dad died. The single mindedness I think is nothing new. However, I think the babes is the last few years.
twinoaks207
Having Fun!
I seriously doubt Tiger was hanging with strippers when he was a teenager or even when he was in his 20's. I think all this started after his marriage AND after he had kids AND after his dad died. The single mindedness I think is nothing new. However, I think the babes is the last few years.
Perhaps I should have said the attitude and mindset that drive the behaviors, or the personality which is pretty much fully developed by age 18.
(that pesky English language again....
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Perhaps I should have said the attitude and mindset that drive the behaviors, or the personality which is pretty much fully developed by age 18.
(that pesky English language again....
Attitude and mindset are the drivers, I agree. However, there is a choice he made, made of free will, to cross over and apply that drive and mindset to cheating and debauchery. He never cheated at golf, never broke those rules.
I think the combination of success, dad dying, kids, the marriage, the influence of his pals, he chose to cross the lines. Also, we're all assuming his wife is a victim as well.
Otter
Nothing to see here
Fans don't know the person they are watching in a sport yet they want to either put them on a pedestal or bury them. Appreciate their ability, not their personality.
thurley42
HY;FR
Quoted for Truth!