PsyOps
Pixelated
Well, actually there is some archeological evidence that Jesus existed. The evidence is about as reliable as evidence that black holes exist.
So, do you believe Jesus (the Son of God) lived here on earth?
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Well, actually there is some archeological evidence that Jesus existed. The evidence is about as reliable as evidence that black holes exist.
So, do you believe Jesus (the Son of God) lived here on earth?
Xaquin44
New Member
I believe Jesus (the carpenter (or some like profession) may have.
I have no reason to believe he was the son of god.
Every religion has their book and everyone thinks their book is right. However, for any one book to be 'right', every single other 'right' book has to be wrong.
Meaning that every religion but one is just enjoying tax free property and massive amounts of donations.
I think more likely that they all are wrong.
PsyOps
Pixelated
In philosophy I think you are right... they are wrong. I've been to too many churches and seen too many "Christian" groups serve money and spew (what I view to be) the wrong philosophical premise of who Christ is and His (My) God. The "Church" has strayed away from the basic principles of the teachings of Christ just as Jesus (as read in the Bible) said it would.
Does that mean I think they are all going to hell? Absolutely not. It's not up to me. But my belief has gone far beyond requiring absolute, concrete proof; just as those that believe there was a big bang don't really need that same level of proof that it actually happened. We argue about things we believe as if there was some magical word we could say to make the other believe they are right and we forget that most of these beliefs (whether it be certain scientific information or belief in a God) rely on nothing more than faith.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
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ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Easy! He claims to be the Messiah but has done NOTHING miraculous to prove it. The real & only Jesus, did.
Queenofdenile1
Love is Blind
This guy sounds like he just escaped from the looney house. 
Another David Koresh perhaps? No sinners? What world is he from? This place is LOADED with them. IDIOT!!
Another David Koresh perhaps? No sinners? What world is he from? This place is LOADED with them. IDIOT!!
tommyjones
New Member
does the good book prophesize jesus preforming miracules when he returns?
I hadn't heard that. which miraculous acts is he going to show us?
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Kain99
Guest
I'm pretty sure that when Jesus comes back, there will be no doubt.
tommyjones
New Member
people doubted him the first time....
does it say there will be no doubt when he returns?
it just seems funny that so many are predictinig his return, but any one who claims they are jesus are instantly determined to be insane, fools or a cult leader by those same folks....
Xaquin44
New Member
How do you know he hasn't?
PsyOps
Pixelated
The second coming of Christ is described in Revelation 19. He wont come preaching in some church. And if you read Revelation a bunch of other things have to happen first. If you read Matthew 24 Jesus talks about the end of times and explains:
Point is, don't go looking for Him. He will come when we don't expect it and wont have any appearance that we will recognize. People expect things like this to happen in ways that we understand it, as human physical beings. The return of Christ will be a spiritual phenomenon. That's how we know this guy is false.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
But like the rest of the
out there, he will get enough people to follow his word and BELIEVE it, so he'll one day be a rich and somewhat powerful man.Amazing how easy it is to do if you are only willing to tell the lies, and take advantage of the misinformed and the ignorant.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
You mean there is proff that the PERSON Jesus of Nazareth existed. There is also proof that he didn't die on the cross, but lived out his life and had a family.
There is no proof that he was resurrected, there is no proof that he performed any miracles. There are many stories about what he did, but without any proof, those are what we call fables. They teach through story telling, but is there any truth to them? Maybe a little to make them more believable.. like town names that did exist (Stephen King is very good at this kind of writing also). But in it's entirety if half of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did were true there would be a lot more proof of it than just the bible.
tommyjones
New Member
it sounds to me like it says most people wont recognize him as the return of the messiah......
and it seems most people doubt this guy.
and like i said, a lot of people on here are saying that those very things are happening, and we are on the verge of the end.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
Yep, and when He returns the world will end and you doubters will have no doubts as to whom He is. Before He returns He will begin the destruction of the world as described in Revelation (the waters all turning into blood, hail mixed with fire & blood, the sun scorching the earth, etc., etc.) then He will judge the lost, then send them out of His presence forever. But remember, this is what you all asked for.
Why do you always argue? As PsyOps said, you're ridiculous with your own contradictions. You have spoken out so much against Christianity that you've come full circle with your confusion and you don't even see it. First you say there is no Jesus, then you ask why ISN'T this guy the Jesus that you don't believe in? Let's see him do what Jesus did, but he can't so you can best believe that, when Jesus does return, "every eye will see Him". No one will miss Him.
ItalianScallion
Harley Rider
God is not taking advantage of you Bob, He's trying to save you.But like the rest of the
Amazing how easy it is to do if you are only willing to tell the lies, and take advantage of the misinformed and the ignorant.
There's NO proof that He DIDN'T die on a cross, just people like you who start false rumors then get a following to believe those lies.
Jesus was witnessed both dead then alive again by hundreds of people of His time. There are secular books proving the existence of Jesus so it's not all "Bible only" stuff. You can believe it now or believe it later but one day you will.
PsyOps
Pixelated
But like the rest of the
Amazing how easy it is to do if you are only willing to tell the lies, and take advantage of the misinformed and the ignorant.
Sort of like Microsoft Corp.
PsyOps
Pixelated
About as much, if not more, proof that Socrates or Plato or Alexander the Great. All we have is written word as proof, oh and some archeological finds.
I'm not trying to convince you that any of this happened. I'm trying to explain why we have believers. But there you have it... we don't have proof. We don't have proof there was a big bang, we don't have proof that life sprouted from little spontaneous bursts of energy, we don't have proof that we evolved from a fish. We put our faith in a lot of things that just don't have proof. And I've stated several times in other threads that if you are looking for physical proof to bring you to God then you will remain where you are. It's a spiritual thing that, just like how life came into existence, can't be explained.
Xaquin44
New Member
what contradictions?
show me.
lame insults (haha very 'christian' of you by the way) don't generally constitute 'evidence'.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Nope, doubt it.
And God is not trying to Save me, churches are trying to convince me that they are trying to save me.. and at such a great price.
I think if any church has it right, I'd have to look at Judaism, and agree with them that Jesus hasn't been here the first time yet, and Jesus of Nazareth is NOT the Messiah, and the prophecies of their church prove he wasn't. I don't believe the Jewish church is made up ten or twenty other churches, and I do believe they've been around a lot longer than Christians, so yeah, I'd have to side with their team in a debate.