The "New" Jesus

itsbob

itsbob

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PsyOps said:
About as much, if not more, proof that Socrates or Plato or Alexander the Great. All we have is written word as proof, oh and some archeological finds.



I'm not trying to convince you that any of this happened. I'm trying to explain why we have believers. But there you have it... we don't have proof. We don't have proof there was a big bang, we don't have proof that life sprouted from little spontaneous bursts of energy, we don't have proof that we evolved from a fish. We put our faith in a lot of things that just don't have proof. And I've stated several times in other threads that if you are looking for physical proof to bring you to God then you will remain where you are. It's a spiritual thing that, just like how life came into existence, can't be explained.
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Socrates and Plato and even Alexander the great have many written records, even diaries and writings of their own. They wrote down what they knew, and others wrote about them, about knowing them, seeing them, and witnessing them. AND we can still read the original documents from when they were on the earth teaching and learning and leading their people. Christians have the Bible, that's it. Despite the fact that people followed and witnessed Christ perform miracles of miracles, none of the preachers, teachers, scientists.. etc.. EVER thought to write any of it down, or record it in any shape or form. No art work dating to the time, no paintings.. just renditions of what artists think it may have been like drawn thousand years after the fact. Not a single record that can be dated to the day any of these miracles happened, not even a cave drawing. how many people supposedly witnessed Moses parting the sea, were they all iliterate?

I've got to tell you, if I was at work and someone cured a co-workers blindness by laying on of hands you can believe I'd write about it. I'd record it somewhere.
 
itsbob

itsbob

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ItalianScallion said:
There's NO proof that He DIDN'T die on a cross
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And actually there is.. if he truly was resurected as told in the bible there should be no earthly body.. yet there is.

But seriously, Jesus may have never existed at all.. at some time in History someone decides to create a church and writes a book that tells this glorious story. People in the time period believe it.. yet if anyone tells of anything even SIMILAR in nature, they are crackpots..

Why do you find it so easy to believe the unbelievable from 2000 years ago, but anytime anyone mentions anything even a 1/100th believable today they are crackpots, or mental cases.. WHY should it be believable at all, let al one from 2000 years ago? People that lived to 600 years of age, parting of seas.. turning water into wine (OK, I'll give you that one, MD2020 does that every day).. talking bushes?? PUH-lease?? Try to convince anyone that you talked to a tree on your way to work, and the tree told you what to do... What would you suggest we do with someone like that?
 
PsyOps

PsyOps

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itsbob said:
But seriously, Jesus may have never existed at all.. at some time in History someone decides to create a church and writes a book that tells this glorious story. People in the time period believe it.. yet if anyone tells of anything even SIMILAR in nature, they are crackpots..
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I’m glad to see you at least acknowledge that Jesus MAY have existed.

itsbob said:
Why do you find it so easy to believe the unbelievable from 2000 years ago, but anytime anyone mentions anything even a 1/100th believable today they are crackpots, or mental cases.. WHY should it be believable at all, let al one from 2000 years ago? People that lived to 600 years of age, parting of seas.. turning water into wine (OK, I'll give you that one, MD2020 does that every day).. talking bushes?? PUH-lease?? Try to convince anyone that you talked to a tree on your way to work, and the tree told you what to do... What would you suggest we do with someone like that?
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Why do you find it so easy to believe something that happened millions of years ago. You find it easy to believe life just popped up out of nowhere; a series of spontaneous chemical events. There’s no proof of this. There isn’t even any first-hand documented evidence; well considering there was no civilized life forms to document it. At least there are documented first-hand accounts of Christ. Whether you believe those accounts are fraudulent or not, they are still documented. Yet you dismiss that and cling to something that has nothing more than a bunch of made-up numbers and some philosophical support. Putting your faith in either (life spontaneous/life created) is easily questioned and doubted. Neither can be physically proven. Neither can be philosophically disproved. It simply boils down to what you believe. And I assure you – based on the statistics – there are more that believe there is a God (of some sort) than those that do not. Sometimes real numbers speak loudly enough on their own.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

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PsyOps said:
I’m glad to see you at least acknowledge that Jesus MAY have existed.



Why do you find it so easy to believe something that happened millions of years ago. You find it easy to believe life just popped up out of nowhere; a series of spontaneous chemical events. There’s no proof of this. There isn’t even any first-hand documented evidence; well considering there was no civilized life forms to document it. At least there are documented first-hand accounts of Christ. Whether you believe those accounts are fraudulent or not, they are still documented. Yet you dismiss that and cling to something that has nothing more than a bunch of made-up numbers and some philosophical support. Putting your faith in either (life spontaneous/life created) is easily questioned and doubted. Neither can be physically proven. Neither can be philosophically disproved. It simply boils down to what you believe. And I assure you – based on the statistics – there are more that believe there is a God (of some sort) than those that do not. Sometimes real numbers speak loudly enough on their own.
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there are documented instances of evolution though. It stands to reason that given the right amount of time (check) life could evolve (check) into many many diverse life forms.
 
M

Marie

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Serious Question

itsbob said:
You mean there is proff that the PERSON Jesus of Nazareth existed. There is also proof that he didn't die on the cross, but lived out his life and had a family.

There is no proof that he was resurrected, there is no proof that he performed any miracles. There are many stories about what he did, but without any proof, those are what we call fables. They teach through story telling, but is there any truth to them? Maybe a little to make them more believable.. like town names that did exist (Stephen King is very good at this kind of writing also). But in it's entirety if half of the miracles that Jesus supposedly did were true there would be a lot more proof of it than just the bible.
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Hi Bob,
Serious question when writting these post what do you feel? Do you get a just a little aggitated. Or do you feel something else like when you leave someone down or disapoint them.
If you be so kind to answer, I'd really like to know.
 
itsbob

itsbob

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Marie said:
Hi Bob,
Serious question when writting these post what do you feel? Do you get a just a little aggitated. Or do you feel something else like when you leave someone down or disapoint them.
If you be so kind to answer, I'd really like to know.
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None of the above.

Not agitated, not mad, not happy, not sad.

But I'd eat green eggs and Ham,

with you I would Sam I am.
 
tommyjones

tommyjones

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Marie said:
Hi Bob,
Serious question when writting these post what do you feel? Do you get a just a little aggitated. Or do you feel something else like when you leave someone down or disapoint them.
If you be so kind to answer, I'd really like to know.
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he probably feels like you do when you talk to your kids about hanzle and grettle, or any other such fairytale
 
This_person

This_person

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Xaquin44 said:
there are documented instances of evolution though. It stands to reason that given the right amount of time (check) life could evolve (check) into many many diverse life forms.
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Too bad that there is absolutely no proof of this.

A species changing over time - proof.

A sponge mutating to animal life form, tree, and insect - not a shred of proof nor any common sense nor reason to it.

But, if you put your faith in evolution of life (source: unknown), that's what you're arguing is true.
 
PsyOps

PsyOps

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Xaquin44 said:
there are documented instances of evolution though. It stands to reason that given the right amount of time (check) life could evolve (check) into many many diverse life forms.
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You mean first-hand accounts? Really? Who? Did they witness this through the entire process? They must've been quite old when it was all over.

You are comparing eyewitness accounts of the Messiah to theory.
 
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PsyOps

PsyOps

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tommyjones said:
he probably feels like you do when you talk to your kids about hanzle and grettle, or any other such fairytale
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I realize the impulse to insult believers is irresistible but wouldn’t Bugs Bunny be a better comparison? I mean, while we’re keeping this intellectual.
 
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