The Rittenhouse Incident

Yooper

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As I see it Col. the left is going to continue pushing until another few 100 snap like at the Capitol and they will then use the full force of the Fed, News, and Social Media, and Business to come down on ANY Trump Supporter ANYWHERE ...

The Fed Will Prosecute, The Media Will Vilify, Business will Fire Employees, Refuse to Engage in Commerce ..... then the revolt will be on
Agreed. But that ain't gonna keep a lid on it. The Left continues to burn down things (e.g., Antifa in Portland) and they get the immunity treatment. Eventually, the Right will have enough. What the results of "having enough" mean I'm not sure other than it won't be helpful for the country.

And China continues to laugh.

--- End of line (MCP)
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Agreed. But that ain't gonna keep a lid on it. The Left continues to burn down things (e.g., Antifa in Portland) and they get the immunity treatment.


I think by and large while tragic, wrong and a pain in the ass .... Frankly I don't care if the Progressive Rabble burns down neighborhoods in Kenosha Minneapolis or Portland - nor do I think the majority of the right does .... they are not directly impacted

What I am talking about is the wholesale vilification of 75 Million Trump Supporters and out right persecution of said group after the next big event
 

Yooper

Up. Identified. Lase. Fire. On the way.
I think by and large while tragic, wrong and a pain in the ass .... Frankly I don't care if the Progressive Rabble burns down neighborhoods in Kenosha Minneapolis or Portland - nor do I think the majority of the right does .... they are not directly impacted

What I am talking about is the wholesale vilification of 75 Million Trump Supporters and out right persecution of said group after the next big event
I agree in that if The Left wants to continue to burn down Leftist enclaves have at it. What I'm concerned about is the difference in treatment.... The Left is "righteous" in its burnings and faces almost zero legal consequences while a bunch of largely, actually peaceful protestors in DC could face huge criminal issues.

This is banana republic BS.

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GURPS

INGSOC
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Federal Civil Suit Against Kyle Rittenhouse, Kenosha Guard Dropped By Plaintiffs


Kenosha News reported the suit was attempting to use a Reconstruction-era federal law inspired by the rise of the Ku Klux Klan to seek damages from Rittenhouse; the Kenosha Guard militia, its "commander" Kevin Mathewson; the Boogaloo Bois, an anti-government movement; and a West Bend man who identified himself to the media as a member of the Boogaloo Bois.

The suit was aimed at Facebook because the plaintiffs accused the social media platform of negligence for allowing the Kenosha Guard to organize an armed response to protect private businesses and property after Kenosha experienced days of riots.

Gittings was the girlfriend of Anthony Huber, who was one of the people Rittenhouse is accused of shooting after he attacked Rittenhouse when Rittenhouse fell down while trying to approach the police on August 25. He is also accused of shooting Joseph Rosenbaum, who witnesses say tried to attack Rittenhouse before he was shot by the teenager, and Gaige Grosskreutz.

The following video was taken after Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum. I was up the street when the first set of gunshots were fired. When I ran down the street, that is when I saw the second round of shooting take place.
 

Kyle

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GURPS

INGSOC
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In Tense Hearing, Kyle Rittenhouse Defense Convinces Judge to Throw Out Significant Portions of the Goverment’s Case



Rittenhouse’s attorneys have admitted their client pulled the trigger; the teen killed two and injuring one. His attorneys claim their client acted in self-defense. Therefore, the legal case is shaping up to focus on whether Rittenhouse was justified in “terminating” what he “reasonably believe[d] to be an unlawful interference with his . . . person.” That standard requires a probing and focused look at whether Rittenhouse’s thinking in the moment. Prosecutors are legally able to argue that Rittenhouse wasn’t acting reasonably. They could also counter that Wisconsin law did not allow Rittenhouse to engage in “unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him.”

Judge Schroeder told prosecutors that if they were able to offer evidence showing Rittenhouse had a “consistent motive” to attack people on the street (or something similar) then such evidence would be allowed. However, Rittenhouse’s interjection on behalf of his sister in an unrelated dispute in another place at another time simply suggested a “propensity” towards violence on the part of the defendant. And character evidence is generally inadmissible as a rationale to prove conduct. Prosecutors can use, however, a defendant’s conduct to prove “motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake or accident.” The law draws a fine line between character evidence intending to prove conduct and evidence of conduct as proof that subsequent conduct also occurred.

“This is an unusual homicide case,” Binger insisted. “This isn’t a whodunnit. The issues isn’t whether he killed someone.”

Rather, the government attorney said, evidence of the attack on the woman who was engaged in a dispute with Rittenhouse’s sister illustrates the defendant’s state of mind. It “illuminates the truth” for the jury because it shows that Rittenhouse is someone who frequently gets involved in issues that don’t concern him and about which he knows few facts and details, prosecutors said. That incident, they argued, also speaks to Rittenhouse’s “concept of self-defense.”

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The government also lost two motions to compel the defendant to produce the names of donors to two separate foundations set up for Rittenhouse’s legal defense — one of which involved attorney L. Lin Wood. But in each case, the judge said he was open to issuing a direct subpoena.

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what do the donors of Rittenhouse have to do with the his self defense, except top otherwise put a chill on donations from people who do not want to be doxxed and harassed by Authoritarian Leftists and AntiFA types
 

vraiblonde

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“unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him.”

WTF does that mean? Is that like the "she was asking for it" defense?

Lawyers are so annoying. This should be a simple case - did Kyle Rittenhouse have reason to believe that his safety/life was in danger, and he therefore had a right to defend himself? "Well, he provoked them by having a different political opinion" shouldn't be a part of our justice system.
 

stgislander

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“unlawful conduct of a type likely to provoke others to attack him.”

WTF does that mean? Is that like the "she was asking for it" defense?

Lawyers are so annoying. This should be a simple case - did Kyle Rittenhouse have reason to believe that his safety/life was in danger, and he therefore had a right to defend himself? "Well, he provoked them by having a different political opinion" shouldn't be a part of our justice system.
Kinda sounds like "fighting words".
 

herb749

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If the murder charge doesn't happen, they will still get him on a gun charge. Then go for the max since they lost the murder charge.
 

Kyle

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Rittenhouse prosecutors ask that men shot not be described as 'looters' or 'rioters' during trial


Judge also weighing whether to allow self-defense expert to testify at trial


Kyle Rittenhouse is scheduled to make another Wisconsin court appearance Monday, as a judge weighs whether to allow a self-defense expert to testify and Kenosha prosecutors are expected to ask the court to ban the three men shot from being called "looters" or "rioters" during the upcoming trial.

Monday’s hearing is likely the last to happen before jury selection is slated to begin on Nov. 1.

Rittenhouse, then 17 and living in Antioch, Illinois, is accused of killing Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz during chaotic demonstrations in Kenosha, Wisconsin, on Aug. 25, 2020, two days after police shot a Black man, Jacob Blake, while responding to a domestic disturbance. Rittenhouse has pleaded not guilty to homicide and other charges, arguing he fired in self-defense.

As is common when a defendant claims self-defense, Kenosha Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder already ruled the three men cannot be referred to as "victims." At an earlier hearing, Rittenhouse’s attorney Mark Richards told the court the men "were not protesters," affirming that they were indeed "rioters."
 
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