The Truth about the Bible and Homosexuality!!! Score 10 points for Gay Christians!!!

[Christy]

shoot, I'd love it if we could get another wife at Casa Gude.

Lemme tell ya, it's great! I now have help with the household chores, have a built in babysitter, and someone else to talk to when Steve pisses me off.

I'm tellin you what, I'd marry Chasey in heartbeat if the law would allow it.

 

[BuddyLee]

In the presence of a gay person? Yes.
Friends with a gay person? Yes.
Neighbors with a gay couple? Yes.
Had a gay couple babysit my son? Yes (he was 18 months old, too young to recruit)
Any other stipulations to be qualified to speak to the subject?

There is one key one, are you gay yourself? You or I cannot judge a gay person if we are not gay ourselves. Who are you to judge something you've never experienced?

 

[Christy]

Lemme tell ya, it's great! I now have help with the household chores, have a built in babysitter, and someone else to talk to when Steve pisses me off.

I'm tellin you what, I'd marry Chasey in heartbeat if the law would allow it.

And another benny would be I could collect alimony from that blasted boyfriend of hers if he succeeds in stealing her away from me.

 

[Lenny]

There is one key one, are you gay yourself? You or I cannot judge a gay person if we are not gay ourselves. Who are you to judge something you've never experienced?

No, I'm not gay; I don't choose to be. THAT'S MY POINT!

 

[BuddyLee]

No, I'm not gay;

Then how do you know for sure that it is indeed a choice?

 

[vraiblonde]

Lemme tell ya, it's great! I now have help with the household chores, have a built in babysitter, and someone else to talk to when Steve pisses me off.

I'm trying to think of how I can lure Chasey away from you. I think the pool and hot tub are going to be a sticking point.

 

[designerxboi]

Please refer to the site listed below for more information.

http://www.soulforce.org/whatthebiblesays.pdf

Please read the information on the website first, then make a post. I would like a real discussion on the qouted texts and statements on the above site, rather then what someone thinks the Bible says even though they have never studied or read it.....

Thanks for posting that link, I'm reading it now and it makes alot of sense. I dont follow any religion and dont plan to anytime soon but I'm not opposed to what people believe in. I think that people should be able to do the right thing without needing to have any kind of guidance, its called a conscience. I dont think its wrong or bad at all for people who do need the guidance of religion, its great that they have something stable to believe in. What I dont like is how some people like to push a specific religion onto other people and are so quick to judge. I just dont feel like I need it right now in my life because I know how to do the right thing in any given situation.

 

[happyappygirl]

Lenny writes: "Had a gay couple babysit my son? Yes (he was 18 months old, too young to recruit)"

RECRUIT? As in...with sideways seductive glances...trying to lure kids and weak minded people "in" using candy, or a lost puppy??
OHMYGAWD.....

 

[happyappygirl]

Good post. It happens that I know someone who consciously chose to be a lesbian and acclimated herself accordingly. But most of the gay people I know say they knew when they hit puberty, which tells me it's genetic, not choice.

Regarding the person who made the "decision" to live life as a Lesbian..that's my point, she most likely knew or felt she preferred women, and CHOSE to live openly, it just might have been spurred by some event in her life (as with sometimes happens to women who have been raped, or abused). But believe me, if you don't have the proclivity towards relationships, sexual or otherwise, with the same sex, you simply CAN'T choose to live that way, IMO.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I see a lot of personal opinion in this thread but absolutely no scripture which is what UP was asking for. Of course UP was not really asking for opinion but for reenforcement of UP's. If anyone looks long an hard enough, they will find someone of their own persuasion. UP has found an ally in the site. Of course a person can study Greek or Hew brew and the Bible and still come up with the wrong answer based on their own bias. Research that is done with an agenda tends to prove that agenda. If UP wants scripture, then here it is from both Old Testament and New Testament. No discussion; just scripture. Believe or don't.

Genesis 18:16-19:29
16 When the men got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. 17 Then the LORD said, "Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do? 18 Abraham will surely become a great and powerful nation, and all nations on earth will be blessed through him. 19 For I have chosen him, so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the LORD by doing what is right and just, so that the LORD will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him."

20 Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD . [e] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [f] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing-to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge [g] of all the earth do right?"

26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake."

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?"

"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"

He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."

30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"

He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."

31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"

He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."

32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"

He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."

33 When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home.

Genesis 19
Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed
1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."

"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."

3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."

9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.

12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here-sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."

14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [a] his daughters. He said, "Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!" But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."

16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, "Flee for your lives! Don't look back, and don't stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!"

18 But Lot said to them, "No, my lords, please! 19 Your [c] servant has found favor in your [d] eyes, and you [e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I'll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it-it is very small, isn't it? Then my life will be spared."

21 He said to him, "Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it." (That is why the town was called Zoar. [f] )

23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities-and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot's wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the LORD . 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.

Leviticus 18:6-22
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD .

7 " 'Do not dishonor your father by having sexual relations with your mother. She is your mother; do not have relations with her.

8 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's wife; that would dishonor your father.

9 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your sister, either your father's daughter or your mother's daughter, whether she was born in the same home or elsewhere.

10 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your son's daughter or your daughter's daughter; that would dishonor you.

11 " 'Do not have sexual relations with the daughter of your father's wife, born to your father; she is your sister.

12 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your father's sister; she is your father's close relative.

13 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your mother's sister, because she is your mother's close relative.

14 " 'Do not dishonor your father's brother by approaching his wife to have sexual relations; she is your aunt.

15 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your daughter-in-law. She is your son's wife; do not have relations with her.

16 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your brother's wife; that would dishonor your brother.

17 " 'Do not have sexual relations with both a woman and her daughter. Do not have sexual relations with either her son's daughter or her daughter's daughter; they are her close relatives. That is wickedness.

18 " 'Do not take your wife's sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living.

19 " 'Do not approach a woman to have sexual relations during the uncleanness of her monthly period.

20 " 'Do not have sexual relations with your neighbor's wife and defile yourself with her.

21 " 'Do not give any of your children to be sacrificed to Molech, for you must not profane the name of your God. I am the LORD .

22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

 

[2ndAmendment]

continued:

Leviticus 18:23-29
23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

24 " 'Do not defile yourselves in any of these ways, because this is how the nations that I am going to drive out before you became defiled. 25 Even the land was defiled; so I punished it for its sin, and the land vomited out its inhabitants. 26 But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the aliens living among you must not do any of these detestable things, 27 for all these things were done by the people who lived in the land before you, and the land became defiled. 28 And if you defile the land, it will vomit you out as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

29 " 'Everyone who does any of these detestable things-such persons must be cut off from their people. 30 Keep my requirements and do not follow any of the detestable customs that were practiced before you came and do not defile yourselves with them. I am the LORD your God.' "

Deuteronomy 22:5
5 A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for the LORD your God detests anyone who does this.

Romans 1:18-32
18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator–who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, Godhaters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

1 Corinthians 6:8-10
8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Timothy 3:1-9
Godlessness in the Last Days
1But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without selfcontrol, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God– 5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them.

6They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weakwilled women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, 7always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. 8Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so also these men oppose the truth–men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. 9But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone.

1 Corinthians 2:6-16
6We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9However, as it is written: “No eye has seen,
no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him”– 10but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.[c] 14The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?”[d] But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[2ndAmendment]

God is a God of love and compassion and has provided a way of salvation through Christ. Homosexual behavior is no different than any other act that is against God's word and instruction and no less deserving of condemnation unless repented and forgiven.

 

[Tinkerbell]

State from the Bible precisely where is says that God hates Homosexuals...

State from the Bible where it says Jesus (who preached to the poor, and the prostitutes, and the sick) denounces and abandons homosexuals for there behavior.

Jesus surrounded Himself with prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. not because He AGREED with their way of life, but because He DIDN'T agree with it and wanted them to understand the error of their ways. So, if Jesus hung around homosexuals, it was for this reason as well. Jesus sought out sinners, because He was put on earth to save sinners. Why waste His time with people who weren't sinning. They didn't need saving.

 

[baswm]

I heard a good program on this topic driving into work today on WAVA.

Grace And Truth About Homosexuality - Part 1
12/29/2004 - Wednesday
Addressing the subject of homosexuality with both grace and truth; practical advice for those who struggle with homosexuality; straight talk to believers about sinful attitudes and actions toward homosexuals
Series: Grace And Truth About Homosexuality
John 1:14,16-17

http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/enduring_truth/Archives.asp

 

[Hello6]

Why waste His time with people who weren't sinning. They weren't any fun.

 

[gumbo]

Homosexuality and Religion is a very controversial subject.

To look at the subject and what has been written in this post, philosophically from a Christian point of view.

Abomination would be a rather harsh word, for a generic defect.

Someone being a homosexual out of choice or a generic defect,
would not be a issue upon entering the Kingdom of God.

I say this because from the aspect of being a Christian, there is a choice
which seems to be over looked.
Celibacy!

Acts of homosexuality are immoral sex acts,
no matter how you interpret the Bible.

Now someone brought up eating pork, which brought to mind.
If it offends your brother, then don't do it in front of him.

Homosexuality is offensive to the general public, and to flaunt it and encourage it in public for the eye's of the UN molded minds of children
to see, is a abomination to all mankind.

I am not homophobic. Live and let Live.
However the facts are, you can not enter the kingdom of God if one is guilty
of immoral sex and being offensive to your fellow human.

U.P. what part of this don't you understand?