This is worse than Nam

chuckster

IMFUBARED
Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers
By Robert Stacy McCain
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Members of the Maine National Guard, called up to prepare for an attack on Iraq, have asserted that their children are being harassed at school by teachers who oppose the war.
Guard members say their children are "coming home upset, depressed, crying," said Maj. Peter Rogers, a spokesman for the Maine National Guard. "This was based on some incidents that were happening in school, both in the classroom and on the playground."
In an e-mail sent to the parents of one child who had complained of harassment at school, National Guard officials said they had "over 30 complaints that name schools and individual principals, teachers and guidance counselors."
It was still not clear yesterday whether the state will discipline any of the named teachers or schools over the incidents.
"In Maine, local superintendents make local policy for local schools," said Tammy Morrill, assistant to J. Duke Albanese, state commissioner of education.
A "fact-gathering" process about the incidents is under way, Maj. Rogers said. The incidents involved students in elementary and middle schools, some as young as 7 years old, he said.
"What we're hearing is that some of the educators are talking about the possible war in Iraq being unethical and that those who would fight it are unethical," Maj. Rogers said.
The state commissioner of education has urged school officials to be more "sensitive" to military children.
"Recently it has been brought to our attention that some school personnel ... may have been less than sensitive to children of military families regarding our continued strained relations with Iraq," Mr. Albanese wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to all superintendents and principals in Maine.
"In some cases, parents — who are about to be deployed — have observed added stress and anxiety among their children who perceive a staff member or their peers as being insensitive to their beliefs and the potential danger to loved ones," Mr. Albanese wrote.
The commissioner said that, while supporting "the right to discuss controversial issues," he wanted "to remind school personnel ... that the families of military personnel need our sensitivity."
Complaints about harassment in schools first surfaced, Maj. Rogers said, after two of Maine's Army National Guard units were mobilized recently for deployment to the Middle East.
"About a week ago, we started doing our family-assistance-center briefings," Maj. Rogers said, explaining that the centers provide support for the families of Guard troops on active duty. "In these briefings, a number of families came forward and talked about their children coming home upset, depressed, crying."
Maj. Rogers said the state commissioner's office "has been very supportive" of the military families in responding to the complaints. "We're hoping [Mr. Albanese's letter to school officials] will end the issue," Maj. Rogers said. "We're not looking at pointing fingers or anything."
Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military.
Teachers across the country have tried to find proper ways to teach children about the war on terrorism. Last year, the National Education Association was criticized for posting a link to an online lesson plan for the September 11 anniversary recommending that teachers discuss "historical instances of American intolerance" so that America could avoid "repeating terrible mistakes."
The incidents involving the children of National Guard members in Maine were "a surprise to us," Maj. Rogers said. "We are certainly hoping that none of it was done maliciously. ... We certainly value the freedom of speech and fight for it, but we hope that people would be sensitive to the kids."
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Originally posted by chuckster
Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers
By Robert Stacy McCain
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Members of the Maine National Guard, called up to prepare for an attack on Iraq, have asserted that their children are being harassed at school by teachers who oppose the war.
It was still not clear yesterday whether the state will discipline any of the named teachers or schools over the incidents.
"In Maine, local superintendents make local policy for local schools," said Tammy Morrill, assistant to J. Duke Albanese, state commissioner of education.
A "fact-gathering" process about the incidents is under way, Maj. Rogers said. The incidents involved students in elementary and middle schools, some as young as 7 years old, he said.
"What we're hearing is that some of the educators are talking about the possible war in Iraq being unethical and that those who would fight it are unethical," Maj. Rogers said.
The state commissioner of education has urged school officials to be more "sensitive" to military children.
"Recently it has been brought to our attention that some school personnel ... may have been less than sensitive to children of military families regarding our continued strained relations with Iraq," Mr. Albanese wrote in a letter sent Tuesday to all superintendents and principals in Maine. The commissioner said that, while supporting "the right to discuss controversial issues," he wanted "to remind school personnel ... that the families of military personnel need our sensitivity."
Complaints about harassment in schools first surfaced, Maj. Rogers said, after two of Maine's Army National Guard units were mobilized recently for deployment to the Middle East.
Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
Teachers across the country have tried to find proper ways to teach children about the war on terrorism. Last year, the National Education Association was criticized for posting a link to an online lesson plan for the September 11 anniversary recommending that teachers discuss "historical instances of American intolerance" so that America could avoid "repeating terrible mistakes."

:mad: The first thing that strikes me is that the Liberals are out there trying to poison our adolescents' minds at a very early age.
Conservatives would not , repeat not, attempt such an underhanded ploy in elementary schools. These low-lifes should be canned.
"The possible war with Iraq may be unethical and those who fight it are unethical."
Boy wouldn't that make your day to come home to dinner and have to discuss that issue with a 5, 6, or 7 year old!
They're just grasping ABCs and Ds, and you want to cloud their minds with this tripe?

Lastly, these remarks should not be directed to ANY child at that age! Not just military dependents.
 

migtig

aka Mrs. Giant
:burning: That really ticks me off!!! I want to go up there and teach those teachers who even gave them their freedom of speech...To do that to a child, much less one that is already concerned about mommy or daddy being away is really low. I think if I had children in that area I would pull my kids out of school, and call up the ACU and every other conservative organization that I could find....
 
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justhangn

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It seems it's time to open a whole can of whoooppppa$$!!!!!!!!
 

demsformd

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Re: Re: This is worse than Nam

Originally posted by penncam
:mad: The first thing that strikes me is that the Liberals are out there trying to poison our adolescents' minds at a very early age.
Conservatives would not , repeat not, attempt such an underhanded ploy in elementary schools. These low-lifes should be canned.
"The possible war with Iraq may be unethical and those who fight it are unethical."
Boy wouldn't that make your day to come home to dinner and have to discuss that issue with a 5, 6, or 7 year old!
They're just grasping ABCs and Ds, and you want to cloud their minds with this tripe?

Lastly, these remarks should not be directed to ANY child at that age! Not just military dependents.

Well, come down off your soapbox and take a look at reality. I have sent all of my children to Catholic school (save my youngest who attends LHS) where they were always part of the minority of liberal Democratic students. The teachers there were also aware that I worked for Democratic causes on Capitol Hill. There was one event that so profoundly affected me that it is even difficult to mention it.
During th late 1980s, when their were efforts to pass anti-abortion legislation, the Catholic Church became fully involved in the attempts to pass the legislation. At that time I was a consultant to the Democratic National Committe on legislative affairs. My son's history teacher, Sister Ann Marie, brought my son aside after the class had a discussion about abortion. During that conversation, my son who was very politically aware, was the only student that spoke against the anti-abortion legislation. Sister Ann was enraged and told my son to "tell your baby-killing father that God will hate him if he won't do what the Church believes." This event was awful and came straight from a conservative. That segment is just as into taking advatage of young children in a learning community.
 

vraiblonde

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Dems, spoken like a true Democrat! Comparing apples and oranges - my own children couldn't have done it better! :clap:

The difference, of course, being that you CHOSE to send your children to a private school that was in direct violation of your personal beliefs. Did you honestly expect a Catholic school and nuns to be supportive of infanticide? Public school is supposed to be non-political and non-religious. Private schools, on the other hand, can set their own agenda and value system.
 

jimmy

Drunkard
I have to agree with Vrai on this. Dems, I almost ate my foot on this one too...

Public school is no place for teachers to be voicing their opinions ESPECIALLY when those opinions may be offensive to members of the class. And ESPECIALLY not in the elementary school age. That's just appalling. I mean, if a high school social studies class gets in a debate about this, surely both viewpoints can be brought up by the teacher but not in any sort of way that would offend someone in the class.

Funny side note though is to hear the righties on this board call for some tolerance and sensitivity for military kids after bashing the ideas of tolerance and sensitivity in all other forms.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by jimmy
Funny side note though is to hear the righties on this board call for some tolerance and sensitivity for military kids after bashing the ideas of tolerance and sensitivity in all other forms.
You're not a child, now are you? And this discussion board is a bit different than a school, wouldn't you agree?

And it's not about "offensiveness" - it's about teaching children history and current events, not just the teacher's personal POV.
 

jimmy

Drunkard
Well the tone of the article presented seemed to be suggesting that we need our teachers to take stock with how the opinions they are expressing affect the children in the classroom and military children were mentioned specifically. I'm not disagreeing its just interesting to see tolerance and sensitivity in the schools being preached on the other side.

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Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Excellent point.....

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Dems, spoken like a true Democrat! Comparing apples and oranges - my own children couldn't have done it better! :clap:

The difference, of course, being that you CHOSE to send your children to a private school that was in direct violation of your personal beliefs. Did you honestly expect a Catholic school and nuns to be supportive of infanticide? Public school is supposed to be non-political and non-religious. Private schools, on the other hand, can set their own agenda and value system.

Well said vrai. The question I have is about what you didn't say: How old was your kid when this happened?

Most of us are hacked because these kids are between 5 and 7 years old.

I'm surprised you wouldn't realize that in Catholic School, the nuns would, in fact feel the way they do about abortion.
 
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demsformd

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I sent my children to learn the spiritual dogma of the church...not to be preached to about government policy by a nun that has never been inside a public policy debate. I pulled all of my children out of that school and then immediately demanded my tuituion be repaid. They initially fought me on that claim but after I threatened to sue, they backed off and gave my tuition back.

I think that it was wrong for the public school teacher to do what she did but I also think that it is wrong for a conservative teacher, no matter in what type of school, to call the father of a student a babykiller. It was also wrong because my son told me that during his debate he constantly referred to the immorality of abortion and its spiritual wrongness. But as a true religious liberal, he felt that abortion was legal due to the 14th Amendment and the fact that we cannot fuse religious dogma into law when there are significant amounts of people in this nation that do not adhere to a specific religious belief system. We oppose abortion morally, but believed in choice and the separation of chuch and state. Yet we are still babykillers.

As for conservatives stating that public schools are non-political and non-religious, do you support school prayer or a mandatory moment of silence? I think that Jimmy is right on the nose with that statement.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by jimmy
I'm not disagreeing its just interesting to see tolerance and sensitivity in the schools being preached on the other side.
Jimmy, since I haven't argued with you in a really really long time, I feel compelled to take you to task over every statement you make. :lol:

I assume by your statement that you're talking about "tolerance" and "sensitivity" toward gays, am I correct? If that's the case, you've never heard a normal conservative advocating intolerance of them. What you hear is that we don't care to have the gay lifestyle preached in our public schools to our children. Have you ever heard a majority conservative advocating beating up gays or killing them?

Most conservatives believe in "tolerance" - they just don't believe in forced acceptance.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by demsformd
I also think that it is wrong for a conservative teacher, no matter in what type of school, to call the father of a student a babykiller.
You should have thought of that before you decided to advocate the killing of babies.
 

smcdem

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I can sympathize with the kids. Being a lone liberal in a conservative reactionary school really sucks. But teachers still say im an abortion hippi who loves to kill old people, hell I just laugh. It all depends on the age, if these kids weren't in high school than obviously teachers shouldn't be so opinionated with their students.
 

Biscuit

Livin' Large
Originally posted by demsformd
I sent my children to learn the spiritual dogma of the church...not to be preached to about government policy by a nun that has never been inside a public policy debate. I pulled all of my children out of that school and then immediately demanded my tuituion be repaid. They initially fought me on that claim but after I threatened to sue, they backed off and gave my tuition back.
I don't get you. You send your kids to a catholic school, and are shocked by what they teach. Have you had your head in the sand for centuries or something? Of course they are going to push the views of the church. It is the Church. I can't believe you were shocked and outraged by this. I am more shocked you sent them in the first place. Obviously you were trying to protect your kids from the disaster that is the public school system. ( and i don't blame you for that.)


I think that it was wrong for the public school teacher to do what she did but I also think that it is wrong for a conservative teacher, no matter in what type of school, to call the father of a student a babykiller. It was also wrong because my son told me that during his debate he constantly referred to the immorality of abortion and its spiritual wrongness. But as a true religious liberal, he felt that abortion was legal due to the 14th Amendment and the fact that we cannot fuse religious dogma into law when there are significant amounts of people in this nation that do not adhere to a specific religious belief system. We oppose abortion morally, but believed in choice and the separation of chuch and state. Yet we are still babykillers.
I suppose you think it is ok to walk by if somebody is injured and not help them. If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. Talk about a warped since of morality. No need to explain anyfuther.
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pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Being a lone liberal in a conservative reactionary school really sucks.

You're full of $hit. I went to Ryken. And while the majority of the administration (and I said majority not all) are conservative for the most part the student body is far from. As a matter of fact I'd go as far as to say the majority of the student body are liberals.
 

smcdem

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Originally posted by pixiegirl
You're full of $hit. I went to Ryken. And while the majority of the administration (and I said majority not all) are conservative for the most part the student body is far from. As a matter of fact I'd go as far as to say the majority of the student body are liberals.
When did you go?? After 9-11 the student body took a hard right turn. Most of the kids who are "liberal" at ryken just want to piss off thier teachers, they don't have any deep convictions.
 

pixiegirl

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Originally posted by smcdem
When did you go?? After 9-11 the student body took a hard right turn. Most of the kids who are "liberal" at ryken just want to piss off thier teachers, they don't have any deep convictions.

No I didn't go to Ryken after 9-11. Thank God I'm a little older then that. The reason for the "liberals" at Ryken is void. The fact of the matter is you're not the "lone liberal" as you claim to be.
 

vraiblonde

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Originally posted by smcdem
they don't have any deep convictions.
Unlike you, for example, who extolls the virtues of the public school system while safely ensconced at your private school - isn't that right?
 

smcdem

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Originally posted by vraiblonde
Unlike you, for example, who extolls the virtues of the public school system while safely ensconced at your private school - isn't that right?
haha hmm... No what I meant by that is telling a priest that abortion reduces poverty, that is a conviction.
 
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