This is worse than Nam

[MGKrebs]

From the article...

"Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military."

Not sure I see the justification for the provocative headline.

 

[cattitude]

Originally posted by smcdem
haha hmm... No what I meant by that is telling a priest that abortion reduces poverty, that is a conviction.

Actually, telling the priest is NOT a conviction. Your belief is the conviction. Guess you know that but perhaps aren't familiar with the use of the word.

 

[smcdem]

Originally posted by cattitude
Actually, telling the priest is NOT a conviction. Your belief is the conviction. Guess you know that but perhaps aren't familiar with the use of the word.

I know what a conviction is, I am just saying they are so deep I could tell them to reactionary priests.

 

[Biscuit]

Re: From the article...

Originally posted by MGKrebs


Not sure I see the justification for the provocative headline.

Krebs, I have been saying for months that you just can't see anything....


How's the war effort in hood going!

 

[Penn]

Re: From the article...

Originally posted by MGKrebs
"Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.
Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military."

Not sure I see the justification for the provocative headline.

You might want to re-read the article again: There were over 30 complaints that named the schools and named teachers
and guidance councelors involved with this.
It is more than just one (1) complaint.

I've seen some folks who seem to want try to dilute this situation with stories of what happened to their kids years back, but is that really relevant to this event?

There's no denying that that abortion, pro or anti is a very,very important issue, but is it as important as this, in view of the proximity to what is going to happen in the next 10 to 14 days?

The very last thing a military, or even a non-military family needs to have to deal with from very young children is this kind of disturbing dogma.

 

[demsformd]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
You should have thought of that before you decided to advocate the killing of babies.

So I advocate the killing of babies. Man, that is clearly reading into things (which is something that you have always campaigned against on these boards.)

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by demsformd
So I advocate the killing of babies.

Technically and medically speaking, abortion is the killing of babies. So if you are in favor of abortion, you are, in fact, in favor of killing babies. If you vote for politicians who are in favor of abortion, you are, in fact, promoting the killing of babies under the euphemism of "choice".

 

[demsformd]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Technically and medically speaking, abortion is the killing of babies. So if you are in favor of abortion, you are, in fact, in favor of killing babies. If you vote for politicians who are in favor of abortion, you are, in fact, promoting the killing of babies under the euphemism of "choice".

Well I am sorry that I do not wish to force my morals on other people. Remember the whole "forced acceptance" statement that you said. Aren't you forcing people to accept your morals by outlawing abortion?

 

[MDindef]

You people just can't stay on topic!

Reminder - this was about young children who were being made fun of or treated unfairly because their one or more of their parents was in the National Guard.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by demsformd
Aren't you forcing people to accept your morals by outlawing abortion?

If you see killing as merely a "moral" issue, than I guess I am. But I'm not anti-abortion, anyway. I'm pro-choice. *she taps her pencil...waiting.....*

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by MDindef
You people just can't stay on topic!

The evolution of conversation! And Dems started it

 

[Frank]

You know - I went to a church the other day - and - and - the NERVE of that guy up front! He started right away, offending me with all his religious ideas! Shouldn't I have the *right* to go into any church I want and have them only say things *I* want them to say?

And then - then - I went to visit this Republican party meeting - and - and - they said all kinds of stuff deeply offensive to Democrats! Why of all the nerve! There should be laws to stop such things! Yeah they were peaceably assembled, but - the stuff they said there! Can't we shut them down? I think I should sue these guys. That's what I'll do. I'll sue.

And to TOP IT OFF - I sent my kids to a Catholic school. Do you want to KNOW what they TAUGHT THEM? *CATHOLIC* doctrine! Don't they know, they have no right to do that? I want them shut down. Now. Today. Why can't I send my kids to Catholic school and have them teach a different view about abortion?

(Ugh! I just read a bit from the Washington Times! Such filth should not be permitted to be on paper! I should sue them. My eyes accidentally saw some things I don't want to see. What if everyone did that? Does anyone know who I can call, to shut these guys down?)

 

[vraiblonde]

 

[demsformd]

The opposition of a woman's right to choice is not Catholic doctrine. Good God, Catholic doctrine is that salvation comes from faith and good works. Catholic doctrine is that Mary, the mother of God, was a virgin. Jesus Christ did not preach about abortion if I recall.

 

[MGKrebs]

Re: Re: From the article...

Originally posted by penncam
You might want to re-read the article again:

OK, let's take this piece by piece.

Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers

"... their children are being harassed at school by teachers who oppose the war. "

Teachers, plural. Statement by somebody. More details to follow, presumably.

Guard members say their children are "coming home upset, depressed, crying," said Maj. Peter Rogers, a spokesman for the Maine National Guard. "This was based on some incidents that were happening in school, both in the classroom and on the playground."

No indication yet that this is coming from teachers or staff.

In an e-mail sent to the parents of one child who had complained of harassment at school, National Guard officials said they had "over 30 complaints that name schools and individual principals, teachers and guidance counselors."

Implication being that there are 30 complaints about teachers etc, harrassing kids.

Maj. Rogers... The incidents involved students in elementary and middle schools, some as young as 7 years old, he said.
"What we're hearing is that some of the educators are talking about the possible war in Iraq being unethical and that those who would fight it are unethical," Maj. Rogers said.

"Some" educators. Hmmm. Getting closer.

Mr. Albanese told the Bangor Daily News that only one complaint involved classroom remarks, after the child of a Guard member became upset during a discussion of Iraq when a teaching assistant "took up the anti-war" argument.

Other incidents, according to Mr. Albanese, involved a child who had requested to leave school early for a military-related activity and a student who was teased on a school bus because he has a parent in the military.

Only ONE complaint involved classroom remarks, from a teaching assistant who was apparently taking the other side of an argument. No indication if this was with 7 year-olds.
We have no indication if the other two incidents involved teachers, staff, or other kids.

Based on this story, there is really only ONE complaint that is detailed enough to have an opinion on, and it is iffy because it may well have been a legitimate discussion if they were 15 year-olds.

 

[migtig]

Originally posted by Frank
You know - I went to a church the other day - and - and - the (Ugh! I just read a bit from the Washington Times! Such filth should not be permitted to be on paper! I should sue them. My eyes accidentally saw some things I don't want to see. What if everyone did that? Does anyone know who I can call, to shut these guys down?)

Uh huh - I got everybody's phone number at work, home and cell...

 

[Penn]

Re: Re: Re: From the article...

Originally posted by MGKrebs

Originally posted by penncam
You might want to re-read the article again:

OK, let's take this piece by piece.

Children of Maine Guard unit taunted by teachers
Based on this story, there is really only ONE complaint that is detailed enough to have an opinion on, and it is iffy because it may well have been a legitimate discussion if they were 15 year-olds.

Alright, elementary school runs from 1st to what - 5th grade?, so we're talking about kids 6 to 10 years old.
Middle school is 6th, 7th and 8th grades, so now we have kids that are 11, 12 and 13.

You still feel that is the kind of bantering that ought to be discussed in classrooms?

Better still, what is the course or subject this lesson is being covered under in the school ciriculum? Any ideas?

Maybe it's covered under Math? No, I don't think so.
History? maybe but doubtful.
English Reading? Uh-Uh.
Science class? nope.
Shop class? Don't think so again.

Under what guise is the principal, teacher, or guidance counsellor
administering this garbage to these kids?

Somebody help me out here, 'cause I cannot see it.

 

[SmallTown]

Re: Re: Re: Re: From the article...

Originally posted by penncam

Maybe it's covered under Math? No, I don't think so.
History? maybe but doubtful.
English Reading? Uh-Uh.
Science class? nope.
Shop class? Don't think so again.

Under what guise is the principal, teacher, or guidance counsellor
administering this garbage to these kids?

Somebody help me out here, 'cause I cannot see it.

Me neither. Kinda like religion in schools, people should keep their opinions like this to themselves.
Obviously, I don't see a problem with being against an immediate war and occupying iraq, but saying the soldiers are unethical is pushing the envelope a bit too far

 

[Frank]

Originally posted by demsformd
The opposition of a woman's right to choice is not Catholic doctrine.

Opposition to *abortion* IS Catholic doctrine. Don't like it? Then don't go there.

 

[Penn]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: From the article...

Originally posted by SmallTown
Me neither. Kinda like religion in schools, people should keep their opinions like this to themselves.
Obviously, I don't see a problem with being against an immediate war and occupying iraq, but saying the soldiers are unethical is pushing the envelope a bit too far

An update on this: I just caught a segment on the O'reilly Factor - of course he's outraged over this; but he had a Guard spokesman, a Col. Carmichael on from Maine on who said the 7 through 9 years olds were the ones predominantly affected by this talk of immorality and unethical propaganda against the upcoming war.
That's why you have these reports of kids coming home from school crying and deeply upset.

I really couldn't see 15 year olds in that situation becoming so distraught as the article mentioned. They're more mature and able to handle that kind of talk. It's possible, but less likely.