Doesn't the 1st Amendment allow him to say something unconstitutional?
Trump’s Speech Was Quiet — And Quietly Radical
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Doesn't the 1st Amendment allow him to say something unconstitutional?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I suppose the length of the strength is a function of ones willingness to think.
The President of the United States of America said, in a joint session, that we are all created by the same god' is not some comment. It's a statement.
PsyOps
Pixelated
If he had said we are all created by Allah I'd say "no I'm not". I have my own mind and don't need a president to make any of these determinations for me. Have we all become this weak that we regard EVERYTHING a president says as some sort of legal establishment of something, therefore we must fear it?
If you believe this badly that it's unconstitutional, I suggest you push for his impeachment. Let's see where it goes.
Larry Gude
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You and I, yes. Him being President of the United States, the head of the gummint, his words carry a lot more weight. Again, what if he'd said we were created by Allah? No one would be arguing then, would they?
I'm more worried about a rumored price increase in a 12-pack of Corona....
Seriously.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Do you believe are all created by the same god/swamp muck?
You and I, yes. Him being President of the United States, the head of the gummint, his words carry a lot more weight. Again, what if he'd said we were created by Allah? No one would be arguing then, would they?
If one believes that the Lord, Yahweh, and Allah all refer to the same being, then no.
Larry Gude
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I don't believe we were created. I think we evolved. Two very different things. I believe in religious freedom and I believe that can NOT exist unless the government that protects it is secular.
Larry Gude
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Increase???? Hell, it's been insane for, what, 5-6 years??? nearly $40 a case?!
Some of us, maybe......
Larry Gude
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Elitist scum.
With my skillz at casting aspersions, I should be a Bass Pro.
Larry Gude
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PsyOps
Pixelated
So you reject that we were all endowed by our CREATOR.
Given we have had a government - its presidents, members of congress, governors, mayors, etc... - that used the term God, all over the place, how is it we still have our freedom of religion intact; even freedom FROM religion?
Larry Gude
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As I explained, it's the context.
I think it was Jefferson who did NOT want a chaplain in the House and Senate. Can't win 'em all. Can't win any if you don't stand against what's wrong. Paine tried to have slavery banned in the Constitution. Imagine the trouble that would have saved. :shrug:
PsyOps
Pixelated
Yet, every session of congress and our SCOTUS is started with a prayer; a clear violation of separation.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
You could make that argument. It still wouldn't be as egregious as declaring "We are all created by the same god" or "we are all evolved from NO god" because the prayers I've heard them say don't make such claims or declarations.
I wouldn't turn over that particular rock if I were you. You could be looking at a ticket out without anyplace willing to take you in.
Kev_Russell
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My version of the separation of church and state doesn't really mind someone mentioning God in a speech. It's more of when an actual action is performed; such as establishing a church and giving a benefit for joining or allowing one faith legal leeway while holding others to the letter of the law, but that's only a single atheists' POV.