Trump Guilty Until Proven Innocent

GURPS

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Sapidus said:
Some of which have now been confirmed by third parties.
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Be Specific .... what has been confirmed

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If he did indeed sleep with hookers in Moscow
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Fantasy Supposition and Innuendo .....

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( which we know he does or did on a regular basis)
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Be Specific - a Porn star and Playboy Playmate 10 yrs ago, does not make ' on a regular basis'


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it would be highly likely
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Fantasy Supposition and Innuendo .....

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Putin would use that information to his advantage which would explain why Trump keeps refusing to go along with further sanctions against Russia, has invited Putin to the white house twice against advisors wishes
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Which Advisors - Be Specific

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and congratulated him on a sham election
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So Did Obama, but it was cool and acceptable then :shrug:
Trump has also had similar messages for way worse Totalitarian Leaders and NARY a Word From 'advisors' or reports from the left

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against advisors wishes.
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Which Advisors - Be Specific
 
PsyOps

PsyOps

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Do you honestly believe that Trump is some bastion of truth. He lies because he talks.
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I'm not sure why this is even a standard anymore. Every president since I've been voting has lied in one way or another. So, you either hold them all accountable to their lies or none of them.

Trump has flipped on a bunch of things. Obama flipped on a bunch of things. Does that make them liars? Perhaps. Or maybe it means that they learned that their original position on something was the wrong one.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
"Premiums will go down for everyone on average $2500 per year."

None of this turned out to be true. Did Obama know he wasn't telling the truth when he said it? I don't know; but it wasn't the truth.

"The attack was a protest against an anti-Muslim video".

Susan Rice and her handlers (going all the way up to Obama) knew that was a lie.

Has Trump lied to us? I'm certain he has. Does that mean every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie (as you claim)? No way! So, saying it doesn't make it so. Hate the guy all you want, but lying about him just makes you look foolish.
 
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No.



Yes, with money laundered through a law firm, making it illegal.



Those “third parties” got their information from Steele. Look it up.



Without taking the time to again debunk your inaccuracy on sanctions and congratulations, let me ask you this; do you really think a guy on his third marriage (marriages lost, it seems, primarily from well reported infidelities) and who has openly expressed that he could shoot someone and remain popular would worry about a sex tape? What, in his view, would be the down side?
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Yes. Its very easy to assume that Melania learned from Marla and Ivana and put in a clause in her prenup that provides her with a large cash payment for infidelity.

Bouyed by the fact that he mentioned to Comey how important it is that Melania not hear about or believe the Russian hooker story.
 
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PsyOps said:
I'm not sure why this is even a standard anymore. Every president since I've been voting has lied in one way or another. So, you either hold them all accountable to their lies or none of them.

Trump has flipped on a bunch of things. Obama flipped on a bunch of things. Does that make them liars? Perhaps. Or maybe it means that they learned that their original position on something was the wrong one.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
"Premiums will go down for everyone on average $2500 per year."

None of this turned out to be true. Did Obama know he wasn't telling the truth when he said it? I don't know; but it wasn't the truth.

"The attack was a protest against an anti-Muslim video".

Susan Rice and her handlers (going all the way up to Obama) knew that was a lie.

Has Trump lied to us? I'm certain he has. Does that mean every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie (as you claim)? No way! So, saying it doesn't make it so. Hate the guy all you want, but lying about him just makes you look foolish.
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As I have told you numerous times I don't hate Trump anymore than you hate Obama.

Yes Obama lied on occasions I can count on less than two hands.

Trumps has lied hundreds of times since taking office and thousands of times prior to that. At this point yes. It is not unreasonable to assume most things Trump says are lies.


How is that difficult for you to see?
 
GURPS

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
PsyOps said:
Trump has flipped on a bunch of things. Obama flipped on a bunch of things. Does that make them liars? Perhaps. Or maybe it means that they learned that their original position on something was the wrong one.

"If you like your plan, you can keep your plan."
"If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."
"Premiums will go down for everyone on average $2500 per year."
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Trump has mischaracterized, over started, blustered, spoken without all the facts, spoken with hyperbole, and changed his mind ... and probably out right lied to make himself look better

So What ...

IMHO Trump has not 'lied' about things that count / matter as much as he as not been clear when speaking [tweeting]
Giving the Progressive Media a chance to twist and spin what was said ....

I Do Wish He Would Be More Careful When Speaking .... but nothing as much as a bald faced lie
- We didn't Run Guns into Mexico
- You Can Keep Your Doctor
 
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YOU are so full of s h i t your eyes are brown ......


How quickly NY Times forgets Obama's lies and frauds



1,366 well sourced examples of Barack Obama’s lies, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc.
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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH. That book? That is your source?! Anything that calls itself "well sourced" is no doubt anything but.

Wow. That was really a deep dive

"Not a book, a long list of gripes by a malcontent.

Complains Obama lied because he didn't close Guantanamo....really? Obama tried in vain to do just that, but something like that required Congressional authority and we all know that.

I am a Republican and this book is written by nothing more than a malcontent who is trying to make a quick buck and play you all for a sucker."
 
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swing and a home run ...... but NOTHING about the Hill.com Article
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I don't count more than the 2 handfuls i mentioned in your article.

thats a lot different then hundreds for Trump chump.


You are not saying anything I didnt say
 
GURPS

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INGSOC
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I don't count more than the 2 handfuls i mentioned in your article.

You are not saying anything I didnt say
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100's unproven ....

you specifically stated Obama you could count on less than 2 hands ...

Polit-fact is 4 pages 20 to a page so that is at least 80 lies
 
GURPS

GURPS

INGSOC
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Except, of course, that Obama continued saying that if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor … for years.

Here are the kinds of lies the press counted for Trump:

FEB. 12, 2017.“Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road that the FAKE NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!” (The media did cover it.)

FEB. 24, 2017.“By the way, you folks are in here — this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks.” (There was no evidence of long lines.)


https://www.dailywire.com/news/24696/fake-news-new-york-times-reports-trump-lied-500-ben-shapiro
 
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100's unproven ....

you specifically stated Obama you could count on less than 2 hands ...

Polit-fact is 4 pages 20 to a page so that is at least 80 lies
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Yeah but you didn't post a politifact article.

You posted a hill article ( with the ten examples i agreed with )and some self published trash most likely printed by you.
 
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Except, of course, that Obama continued saying that if you liked your doctor, you could keep your doctor … for years.

Here are the kinds of lies the press counted for Trump:

FEB. 12, 2017.“Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road that the FAKE NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!” (The media did cover it.)

FEB. 24, 2017.“By the way, you folks are in here — this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks.” (There was no evidence of long lines.)


https://www.dailywire.com/news/24696/fake-news-new-york-times-reports-trump-lied-500-ben-shapiro
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You know why they counted those numbskull?

those are lies
 
GURPS

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
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Yeah but you didn't post a politifact article.
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Nope, that was a follow up, you are conveniently ignoring .......
4 pages 20 items long 80 Obama Lies from Polti-fact - hardly an Obama Hating Site ....
I am guessing there are probably a lot more if Polti-fact is willing to publish 80 .....
But hey that is only MY Opinion lets stick with the 80


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You posted a hill article ( with the ten examples i agreed with )
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ah huh ...


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and some self published trash most likely printed by you.
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ah more insults ......
 
This_person

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Yes. Its very easy to assume that Melania learned from Marla and Ivana and put in a clause in her prenup that provides her with a large cash payment for infidelity.

Bouyed by the fact that he mentioned to Comey how important it is that Melania not hear about or believe the Russian hooker story.
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So, you go through all of those machinations and assumptions, and have nothing more solid than thinking he’s compromised by a pre-nuptials clause that you don’t even know exists?
 
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