Trump indicted

[Hijinx]

It's all over the news now that Trump has been indicted.
A new Precedent set-----the indictment of a former President.
Today we officially become a third world country as a former President is indicted in a trumped up charge for political reasons.
This may not be all bad as i cannot see a guilty verdict, but it does allow for an indictment of Joe Biden who IS guilty of criminal conduct.

Here we have a Soros owned Attorney generals Office bringing up an old charge from 2016 that was already dealt with once.
Do we have a right to know who was on the Grand Jury? I believe we do since it was obviously a politically picked jury.
I hope for a peaceful solution to this with no one getting hurt and a complete firing of everyone on this New York attorney generals Office.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

It's all over the news now that Trump has been indicted.
A new Precedent set-----the indictment of a former President.
Today we officially become a third world country as a former President is indicted in a trumped up charge for political reasons.
This may not be all bad as i cannot see a guilty verdict, but it does allow for an indictment of Joe Biden who IS guilty of criminal conduct.

Here we have a Soros owned Attorney generals Office bringing up an old charge from 2016 that was already dealt with once.
Do we have a right to know who was on the Grand Jury? I believe we do since it was obviously a politically picked jury.
I hope for a peaceful solution to this with no one getting hurt and a complete firing of everyone on this New York attorney generals Office.

I don't know who Trump's advisers are. Apparently they are either not very good or they are good and he ignores them. He must be careful not to incite or suggest of any violent acts against anyone associated with this criminal proceeding. Whether it is a lawful act or not, suggesting of any violence has the potential to get him in more trouble than he is actually in. For example, the Dems will create this charge knowing it has no legal merit. BUT, what they can, and may be hoping to acheive from it is actions or suggestions against him that could be used against him in a separate legal proceeding at a future date. He must be careful not to accept the bait.

 

[StmarysCity79]

It's all over the news now that Trump has been indicted.
A new Precedent set-----the indictment of a former President.
Today we officially become a third world country as a former President is indicted in a trumped up charge for political reasons.
This may not be all bad as i cannot see a guilty verdict, but it does allow for an indictment of Joe Biden who IS guilty of criminal conduct.

Here we have a Soros owned Attorney generals Office bringing up an old charge from 2016 that was already dealt with once.
Do we have a right to know who was on the Grand Jury? I believe we do since it was obviously a politically picked jury.
I hope for a peaceful solution to this with no one getting hurt and a complete firing of everyone on this New York attorney generals Office.

Did you read the indictment? You do know a grand jury is made up of 23 private citizens right?

this is 34 sperate indicments not just the hush money payment.

Please at least educate yourself before you start shrieking. It's embarrassing,

You claim Biden is guilty yet he has been charged with nothing and claim Trump is innocent and he is the one facing charges? Do you need mental help?

 

[StmarysCity79]

I don't know who Trump's advisers are. Apparently they are either not very good or they are good and he ignores them. He must be careful not to incite or suggest of any violent acts against anyone associated with this criminal proceeding. Whether it is a lawful act or not, suggesting of any violence has the potential to get him in more trouble than he is actually in. For example, the Dems will create this charge knowing it has no legal merit. BUT, what they can, and may be hoping to acheive from it is actions or suggestions against him that could be used against him in a separate legal proceeding at a future date. He must be careful not to accept the bait.

Too late.

He is already facing those charges from inciting violence on January 6th.

He is also faces charges of election interference in Georgia. He will spend the rest of his life in jail

 

[gemma_rae]

Too late.

He is already facing those charges from inciting violence on January 6th.

He is also faces charges of election interference in Georgia. He will spend the rest of his life in jail

And he ripped the tag off his mattress when he was 9!

 

[Kyle]

You do know a grand jury is made up of 23 low IQ new yorkers with nothing better to to, right?

this is 34 sperate bullshit concoctions, not just the hush money payment.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Ken King]

Did you read the indictment? You do know a grand jury is made up of 23 private citizens right?

Have you read it? And do you know that only a simple majority of 12 can get the indictment?

 

[StmarysCity79]

Have you read it? And do you know that only a simple majority of 12 can get the indictment?

Whats your point? you think 12 people are secrets antifers? or Blmers?

And they just made up 34 indictments out of the blue?


What will it take for you to finally understand Trump is a criminal low life.

And why was it ok to want to Lock Hillary up with no evidence yet now you cant admit Trump is not above the law?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Whats your point? you think 12 people are secrets antifers? or Blmers?

And they just made up 34 indictments out of the blue?


What will it take for you to finally understand Trump is a criminal low life.

And why was it ok to want to Lock Hillary up with no evidence yet now you cant admit Trump is not above the law?

Actually the FBI pretty much said "yea she broke the law, but it was unintentional so no foul"

If you ever had training on handling classified material you would have been told that you can go to jail for mishandling it.

 

[Ken King]

Whats your point? you think 12 people are secrets antifers? or Blmers?

Didn't insinuate any of that, I think indictments are a process where DAs get to push a narrative. Kind of like the Jan 6 committee.

And they just made up 34 indictments out of the blue?

Well it seems Bragg did. Grand juries don't make the charges.

What will it take for you to finally understand Trump is a criminal low life.

Maybe him actually being convicted, as of yet nothing, nada, zilch.

And why was it ok to want to Lock Hillary up with no evidence yet now you cant admit Trump is not above the law?

Never said that either, because there was evidence against Hillary, but the clock was on her side. Once nothing was done during Trumps first year a little thing like statute of limitations kicked in, you know the same thing Bragg is trying to circumvent now.

 

[StmarysCity79]

Actually the FBI pretty much said "yea she broke the law, but it was unintentional so no foul"

If you ever had training on handling classified material you would have been told that you can go to jail for mishandling it.

People have claimed that before yet been unable to prove it as it's not true. And if as you claim it is true why arent you clamoring for Trump to be locked up for his mishandling of classified material. When he took it off site after he was no longer president and refused for months to return it?

Why are many of your views and stances so hypocritical based on who's behavior you are discussing?

Here is his statement in July:

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.


"FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers Sunday the agency hasn’t changed its opinion that Hillary Clinton should not face criminal charges after a review of new emails.


And again in August

“Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July,” Comey wrote in the new letter to congressional committee chairmen.

Comey dropped a bombshell on the presidential race last month when he sent a letter to Congress saying the FBI had discovered emails in a separate investigation that could be connected to the now-closed probe of whether Clinton mishandled classified information. "

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/comey-tells-congress-fbi-has-not-changed-conclusions/index.html

 

[StmarysCity79]

Didn't insinuate any of that, I think indictments are a process where DAs get to push a narrative. Kind of like the Jan 6 committee.

Well it seems Bragg did. Grand juries don't make the charges.

Maybe him actually being convicted, as of yet nothing, nada, zilch.

Never said that either, because there was evidence against Hillary, but the clock was on her side. Once nothing was done during Trumps first year a little thing like statute of limitations kicked in, you know the same thing Bragg is trying to circumvent now.

BS. What was the crime that Hillary committed that the statute of limitations ran out on?

And when does the statute of limitations run out on what Braggs alleging? Since you don't know what the 34 indictments are there is no way for you to know that LIAR.

Grand juries make the decision not Braggs. How did he convince them all that Trump was guilty of 34 crimes? All it would take would be one MAGA hold out.

And what does this have to do with J6. There are over 1000 arrests and corresponding charges from that day. And 4 dead officers and one blinded.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

People have claimed that before yet been unable to prove it as it's not true. And if as you claim it is true why arent you clamoring for Trump to be locked up for his mishandling of classified material. When he took it off site after he was no longer president and refused for months to return it?

Why are many of your views and stances so hypocritical based on who's behavior you are discussing?

Here is his statement in July:

Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.


"FBI Director James Comey told lawmakers Sunday the agency hasn’t changed its opinion that Hillary Clinton should not face criminal charges after a review of new emails.


And again in August

“Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July,” Comey wrote in the new letter to congressional committee chairmen.

Comey dropped a bombshell on the presidential race last month when he sent a letter to Congress saying the FBI had discovered emails in a separate investigation that could be connected to the now-closed probe of whether Clinton mishandled classified information. "

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/06/politics/comey-tells-congress-fbi-has-not-changed-conclusions/index.html

Being careless in the handling means that it wasn't handled in the appropriate manner. If you had gone through the training you would realize that this is a crime. If it isn't then security folks that keep telling everyone this are lying and just using scare tactics on the rank and file.

 

[StmarysCity79]

Being careless in the handling means that it wasn't handled in the appropriate manner. If you had gone through the training you would realize that this is a crime. If it isn't then security folks that keep telling everyone this are lying and just using scare tactics on the rank and file.

No being careless and being deliberately negligent are two seperate things. Criminal intent is a third issue. Comey said no prosecutor would likely take the case based on the evidence and that they would not pursue it as there wa sno intent.

Now if you care so much about the safety of classified information why are you not concerned with Trump's handling of even more classified information and refusal to return said documents when requested?

Do you admit you are biased or that you just don't care and only want to see Dem's face consequences?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

No being careless and being deliberately neglligent are two seperate things. Comey said no prosecutor would likely take the case based on the evidence and that they would not pursue it as there wa sno intent.

Now if you care so much about the safety of classified information why are you not concerned with Trump's handling of even more classified information and refusal to return said documents when requested?

Do you admit you are biased or that you just don't care and only want to see Dem's face consequences?

A president (including Biden) has privileges that I don't extend to anyone else in the country, not even a vice president. I don't agree with the law entirely, but it is what it is. These privileges to do what you want with classified material definitely don't extend to cabinet members, I'd Imagine a president could make a EO saying they do, but I don't think that would be wise.

The lack of charges and the news about it going away after Biden's own classified document snafu make it clear to me it was nothing but show.

 

[StmarysCity79]

A president (including Biden) has privileges that I don't extend to anyone else in the country, not even a vice president. I don't agree with the law entirely, but it is what it is. These privileges to do what you want with classified material definitely don't extend to cabinet members, I'd Imagine a president could make a EO saying they do, but I don't think that would be wise.

The lack of charges and the news about it going away after Biden's own classified document snafu make it clear to me it was nothing but show.

Trump was not the president at the time he took the documents. You cant wave a wand and declassify documents. You cant say I can now take these and do whatever i want with them because i was once President. Trumps documents had an even higher clearance than Hillary's and if anything should have been guarded more carefully. Not left unsecured in his private residence while the FBI asked for months for them to be returned.


Why cant you for once be ethically consistent in your disapproval of the sitautions regardless of who the person is?

You can't claim Hillary should have faced prosecution for mishandling docuemnts and in the same breath say Trump should not for DELIBERATELY taking classiffied documents to Mar a lago and refusing requests to return them.

Biden asked his lawers to search his property at his own behest and contacted the FBI when the documents were found.

 

[GURPS]

Trump was not the president at the time he took the documents. You cant wave a wand and declassify documents.

Liar ... how else did he get the documents

 

[Ken King]

BS. What was the crime that Hillary committed that the statute of limitations ran out on?

The maintaining of classified materials inappropriately.

And when does the statute of limitations run out on what Braggs alleging? Since you don't know what the 34 indictments are there is no way for you to know that LIAR.

Well for the one that has been talked about the most - the hush money. In NYC that would be a misdemeanor or minor felony at best.

Grand juries make the decision not Braggs. How did he convince them all that Trump was guilty of 34 crimes? All it would take would be one MAGA hold out.

Grand juries do not select the charges being sought, that is on Bragg and Bragg alone. And they aren't convinced that anyone is guilty only that there seems to be sufficient evidence of wrong doing. And no, it doesn't take one holdout of the grand jurors impaneled it simply takes 12 (of the 23) to sustain an indictment.

And what does this have to do with J6. There are over 1000 arrests and corresponding charges from that day. And 4 dead officers and one blinded.

Didn't say it had anything to do with the Jan 6 committee, I said that this process is like that one in that only one side of the story is given any weight.

 

[GURPS]

Soros, as RedState readers will recall, has for years now unapologetically thrown billions of dollars into supporting so-called “reform-minded” prosecutors that are notoriously soft on crime, including the since-recalled former San Francisco District Attorney Chesa Boudin.

Bragg, too, has in the past been noted for his soft-on-crime positions for violent offenders while at the same time trying to punish victims who acted in self-defense.

Though it’s indisputable that Soros has backed Alvin Bragg, watch the word games put on full display by NBC News “disinformation reporter” Ben Collins in the tweet below where he tries (and fails) to de-link Bragg from Soros:





“In reality, Soros has ‘has never met or spoken to Alvin Bragg,'” as though never meeting face to face or speaking directly with someone means you don’t or haven’t backed them.

'Disinfo Reporter' Embarrassingly Trips Over Himself in Rush to De-Link Alvin Bragg From George Soros

redstate.com

 

[StmarysCity79]

The maintaining of classified materials inappropriately.

Well for the one that has been talked about the most - the hush money. In NYC that would be a misdemeanor or minor felony at best.

Grand juries do not select the charges being sought, that is on Bragg and Bragg alone. And they aren't convinced that anyone is guilty only that there seems to be sufficient evidence of wrong doing. And no, it doesn't take one holdout of the grand jurors impaneled it simply takes 12 (of the 23) to sustain an indictment.

Didn't say it had anything to do with the Jan 6 committee, I said that this process is like that one in that only one side of the story is given any weight.

As discussed above ad nauseum No charges were brought against Hillary and the FBI cleared her of wrong doing. There was nothing related to the statute of limitations.

The hush money is one of 34 indictments. Do you have any knowledge that the statute of limitations has run out on those? If not STFU.

"Bookkeeping fraud, only a misdemeanor in New York, has a two-year statute of limitations as a misdemeanor, but five years as a felony.

Under New York law, that can be extended if the defendant spends long periods outside the jurisdiction.

Trump lived at the White House until January 2021 and spends most of the year in Florida at his Mar-a-Lago club.

The New York Times also reported that the statute of limitations was extended by a year during the COVID pandemic."

Yes and the jury sustained 34 indictments. Whats the issue?

The judges in every single cases of J6 viewed all the evidence ( both sides) and in over 1000 cases found them guilty.

What are you talking about?

Trump claims statute of limitations has passed in Stormy Daniels case

The former president wrote on Truth Social: 'They are MANY years beyond the Statute of Limitations which, in this instance, is TWO YEARS. More importantly, THERE WAS NO CRIME!!!'

www.dailymail.co.uk