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BernieP

Resident PIA
How wonderful another "informed" voter".

The President can't install term limits. (1)

We don't put political opponents in jail in this country. They do that in Russia (2).

Correct on (1), Mitch McConnell already set the president-elect straight on the senates view of term limits. But the people can do it by pushing for a convention of states.
It's the power the people have to modify the constitution if the elected representatives in congress fail to initiate the action.

On item (2), there is certainly evidence that both did not act in the best interest of the United States. However, the burden of proof for treason is extremely hard to meet, probably because the punishment is so severe.
I would say that both Clinton and Obama took actions that were not in the best interest of the United States, that if they were officers in a corporation they would be terminated and sued for failing to uphold their fiduciary responsibilities.
I refer you to almost every treaty they signed. Those treaties, whether it was with Iran, Climate Change or Pacific Rim trade, imposed hardship on US citizens or put them at greater danger, than before the treaties were signed.
In short, they put "globalism" ahead of national interests. In that regard, follow the money.
 

Kinnakeet

Well-Known Member
Correct on (1), Mitch McConnell already set the president-elect straight on the senates view of term limits. But the people can do it by pushing for a convention of states.
It's the power the people have to modify the constitution if the elected representatives in congress fail to initiate the action.

On item (2), there is certainly evidence that both did not act in the best interest of the United States. However, the burden of proof for treason is extremely hard to meet, probably because the punishment is so severe.
I would say that both Clinton and Obama took actions that were not in the best interest of the United States, that if they were officers in a corporation they would be terminated and sued for failing to uphold their fiduciary responsibilities.
I refer you to almost every treaty they signed. Those treaties, whether it was with Iran, Climate Change or Pacific Rim trade, imposed hardship on US citizens or put them at greater danger, than before the treaties were signed.
In short, they put "globalism" ahead of national interests. In that regard, follow the money.

TREASON-The crime of betraying ones country'the action of betraying someone or something the list goes on and by Obumer giving money to Iran he betrayed his country and someone being the citizens of the USA.IMHO:patriot:
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
TREASON-The crime of betraying ones country'the action of betraying someone or something the list goes on and by Obumer giving money to Iran he betrayed his country and someone being the citizens of the USA.IMHO:patriot:
Presidential immunity pretty much says he has a get out of jail free card for the last eight years, if he hasn't been been impeached by now he's home free.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
TREASON-The crime of betraying ones country'the action of betraying someone or something the list goes on and by Obumer giving money to Iran he betrayed his country and someone being the citizens of the USA.IMHO:patriot:

My limited understanding of filing charges of Treason is that is extremely difficult to do,

The betrayal of one's own country by waging war against it or by consciously or purposely acting to aid its enemies.

The crime of treason requires a traitorous intent. If a person unwittingly or unintentionally gives aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States during wartime, treason has not occurred. Similarly, a person who pursues a course of action that is intended to benefit the United States but mistakenly helps an enemy is not guilty of treason. Inadvertent disloyalty is never punishable as treason, no matter how much damage the United States suffers.

Treason may be proved by a voluntary confession in open court or by evidence that the defendant committed an Overt Act of treason. Each overt act must be witnessed by at least two people, or a conviction for treason will not stand. By requiring this type of direct evidence, the Constitution minimizes the danger of convicting an innocent person and forestalls the possibility of partisan witch-hunts waged by a single adversary.

Treason in Modern History

Though there there haven't been any official charges of treason in modern history, there have been plenty of accusations of such anti-American sedition leveled by politicians.

For example, actress Jane Fonda's 1972 trip to Hanoi during the Vietnam War sparked outrage among many Americans, particularly when it was reported that she had sharply criticized U.S. military leaders as "war criminals." Fonda's visit took on a life of its own and became the stuff of urban legend.

In 2013, some members of Congress accused a former CIA techie and ex-government contractor named Edward Snowden of committing treason for exposing a National Security Agency surveillance program called PRISM.

Neither Fonda nor Snowden were ever charged with treason, however.

There is a lot of information, some maybe more accurate than the other, on treason and what is required to prove treason.
The fact Jane Fonda or Edward Snowden were never charged should be evidence that it is extremely difficult.
 

gemma_rae

Well-Known Member
You do realize Hillary won the popular vote, right?

Hillary did not win the popular vote.

FINAL ELECTION 2016 NUMBERS: TRUMP WON BOTH POPULAR ( 62.9 M -62.2 M ) AND ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES ( 306-232)…HEY CHANGE.ORG, SCRAP YOUR LOONY PETITION NOW!
 

Goldenhawk

Well-Known Member
So if you "uncount" all the votes cast by non-citizens (okay, illegal aliens).... what would the results be THEN?
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
So if you "uncount" all the votes cast by non-citizens (okay, illegal aliens).... what would the results be THEN?

It would be YUGE! And, don't forget dead people; especially WWI casualties. Hillary, truly did see dead people. Thank God she lost. The best thing that has happened to America in a very long time. Bye, Clinton(s)! Go, Trump! :patriot:
 

DannyMotorcycle

Active Member
Me, too! I am still stunned that Trump won; considering the odds from the convention through the election. I have been doing the happy dance since Tuesday. It has restored my faith in America, and my fellow Americans. We/US saw the corruption, and did something about it. I was telling my hub for weeks that I hoped there was a silent majority no one was hearing from, and there was! :thewave: Final electoral votes came in tonight; Trump 305 and Hillary 233. Done deal. All the whiners can get over it, and none of them should show up on my lawn! God bless America, and Clint Eastwood. Just kidding. That was humor! which I am not good at! :lol: :patriot:

i thought hillary would get the electoral votes from a corrupt system but not win the popular vote.. but then i also heard that the popular votes final wont' be in for weeks.

I certainly reasoned that it is fathomable that a corrupt gov't could have corrupt elections.. So if hillary won it wouldn't be a surprise..

I was almost ready to bet on hillary to counter my actual bet of trump winning.. with the logic that if i lose the bet i'd be happy trump won anyway, if trump lost,
i'd still at least be happy i won the bet. the guy talked so much trash... but in the end i'm happy trump won and $40 richer LOL and i get to remind the trash talker that
whenever he's so cocky and sure of himself, think of the 40 bux he lost.
 

Popster

Member
Facing 4 more years of obama like governing, people came to their senses. Recent obamacare increases sealed the deal. Now it's time to roll up those sleeves and get to work. Economy, jobs, law & order, immigration.

Just a fyi. The recent increases were a planned political ploy. Either you think it was a stroke of genius or a stroke of treason depending on your political mindset. When Obama care was put into law, it recognized that by requiring insurance companies to insure people with existing conditions and those who had no previous insurance the cost to the insurance companies would go up for the first five to 10 years until to insurance pool evened oiut. Therefore, a "risk corridor" as included in the bill that said that the government would pay insurance companies money to make up for lost profits for a period of 5-10 years depending on the performance of the insurance pool. This would have stabilized premiums. Led by Marco Rubio the Republican congress stripped out this risk corridor provision in last years budget bill thereby causes the increases in premiums since the insurance companies needed to make up their lost profits. Thus the "starve the beast" tactic was used to discredit the program. By cutting funding the program was crippled (even thought subsidy increases would have helped) and it would be seen as not working, and demands could then be made to scrap it.
 

mAlice

professional daydreamer
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CalvertNewb

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It would be YUGE! And, don't forget dead people; especially WWI casualties. Hillary, truly did see dead people. Thank God she lost. The best thing that has happened to America in a very long time. Bye, Clinton(s)! Go, Trump! :patriot:



I think this is one of the scariest things about this election. All of the people who believe misinformation. In the last 20 years there have been less then 30 cases of voter fraud. Your chances of being hit by lightning are higher. Yet people honestly believe that dead people and illegal aliens are voting. Or that Trump won the popular vote. When you get all your news from Facebook, Breitbart and Drudge its easy to see why critical thinking skills have gone out the window.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
I think this is one of the scariest things about this election. All of the people who believe misinformation. In the last 20 years there have been less then 30 cases of voter fraud. Your chances of being hit by lightning are higher. Yet people honestly believe that dead people and illegal aliens are voting. Or that Trump won the popular vote. When you get all your news from Facebook, Breitbart and Drudge its easy to see why critical thinking skills have gone out the window.

Seriously, you want to bring up critical thinking? :lol: I first want to say welcome to the forum. As far as scary, the Clintons are scary; not to mention the leapfrog libprogs. There is misinformation everywhere. If you think there have only been 30 cases of voter fraud in the last 20 years, you are the misinformed one. What does lightening have to do with a prez election? Illegals and dead people do vote; there has been plenty of news and posts on this forum that prove that. I have to say that I am glad Soros didn't pull this one off, but he is hell bent, still, in causing chaos in America. I was shocked that Trump was elected, but in a glad way. It was good to see that so many Americans are sick of it, and changed the course of our country's history. If Clinton had been elected, our country was done, as we know it. Trump has to prove himself, and we will see what happens in the future. Trump was the best option for the current time. There are plenty out there talking about it. No, Trump didn't win the pop vote because that is not how it works, but it was very close. I don't do FB, Breitbart, or Drudge; I form my own opinion. You must have voted for Hillary (if not Hillary, Gary or Jill) Happy foruming, newb!
 
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itsbob

I bowl overhand
I think this is one of the scariest things about this election. All of the people who believe misinformation. In the last 20 years there have been less then 30 cases of voter fraud. Your chances of being hit by lightning are higher. Yet people honestly believe that dead people and illegal aliens are voting. Or that Trump won the popular vote. When you get all your news from Facebook, Breitbart and Drudge its easy to see why critical thinking skills have gone out the window.

You mean less than 30 cases of voter fraud that were caught, charged and convicted...

Easy to say when there are no real safeguards in place to prevent it or to catch them in the first place.


Lets look at something just as simple, say shoplifting.. 32 billion in KNOWN losses a year.. efforts in place to catch them and we still dont catch 10% of them...

Voters.. Nothing in place to catch them, everyone knows it happens but we do nothing to quantify it..

Using shoplifting as an example where we know, yet still cant stop it; voter fraud could be rampant and we'll never catch even close to 1%...
 
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