TV and Torture...
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AndyMarquisLIVE
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If you watched the particular segment on MSN Video, you'd see that soldiers said they used torture tactics from 24 because it was onn 24 and they thought it was acceptable.hvp05 said:3:52p...
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Did you forget to use yourtoo?
Larry Gude
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So...
...what, then? Is that the qualifyer, that someone sees or here's something in our pop culture, TV, movies, music, even if it's fiction, say, a muderer, a gang rape, bussin' a cap in someones azz, and if you claim you thought it was OK because you'd seen that somewhere else and, well, it wouldn't be there if it weren't acceptable, right, that's a reasonable argument?
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
...what, then? Is that the qualifyer, that someone sees or here's something in our pop culture, TV, movies, music, even if it's fiction, say, a muderer, a gang rape, bussin' a cap in someones azz, and if you claim you thought it was OK because you'd seen that somewhere else and, well, it wouldn't be there if it weren't acceptable, right, that's a reasonable argument?
Larry Gude
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Now see...
...Sammy, this is where things change. What you just described is free expression and thus is OK. That it is 'inspired' by hatred of the West makes it pure. I mean, come on, it's not like working for Halliburton or some other truly evil thing.
SamSpade said:
...Sammy, this is where things change. What you just described is free expression and thus is OK. That it is 'inspired' by hatred of the West makes it pure. I mean, come on, it's not like working for Halliburton or some other truly evil thing.
Toxick
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Larry Gude said:
I have never thought of 24 as a GOP show. Good Guys vs. Bad Guys is pretty partisan neutral.
However there are several clues that the writers are obviously left-leaning.
1) Palmer I - a Democrat - was the first black president and he was quite simply the BEST PRESIDENT EVER.
2) Logan - a Republican - was a shifty weaselly little weakling for the first half of his season, until it was revealed that he was in fact, an evil mastermind. It turns out he was responsible for killing Palmer I.
3) Palmer II - again a democrat - not as good as Palmer I (which is like saying that Johnny Unitas was not as good as Joe Montana), but way better than Logan.
4) Palmer II is currently the target of an assassination by people who are against his tolerance policy, and would rather see a less tolerant (obvious parody of Patriot Act) policy go into effect.
5) A few years ago, the muslim terrists were not religious zealots - they were pretending to be religious zealots... on the payroll of an EVIL OIL CEO who was trying to start a war in order to drive oil prices up. We all know that Evil CEO's are registered Republicans.
6) Incredibly profound quotes such as: "The muslim community is our single greatest asset against terrorism". I swear they said that - and it wasn't said to be funny.
7) Incredibly over-the-top portrayal of racial profiling, and the "good-guys" extremely vocal dislike for said profiling.
8) Jack Bauer's father killed his other son. Obvious endorsement of a Pro-Choice agenda.
Ok - that last one might be a stretch.
Larry Gude
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If we can...
...have movies about W being assassinated and fantasy as reality stuff like Gores horror stories and Moore's agenda driven dreck, we can survive torturing bad guys.
At least, that's my hope.
Toxick said:
...have movies about W being assassinated and fantasy as reality stuff like Gores horror stories and Moore's agenda driven dreck, we can survive torturing bad guys.
At least, that's my hope.
AndyMarquisLIVE
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First of all, I think there's a fundamental difference between "24" and these hip-hop videos that paint murder, prostitution, rape, violence and any other atrocity as a rosy picture.Larry Gude said:
I see where Olbermann and other liberals are coming from when they say "24" is right-wing propoganda (after all, it is on the FOX television network). I also see in this particular case that soldiers are somewhat inspired by 24. However, these are the people who do not see the difference between reality or fantasy, or do not wish to.
But, if the show lightens up, than it cannot be a legitamate excuse for this kind of behavior.
AndyMarquisLIVE
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Eff Michael Moore.Larry Gude said:
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Amusing. Although after watching the Olbermann piece I now know where you get the FOX Noise bit. What kind of overgrown adolescent makes a living off of insulting another network? I guess by not watching his show, I'm not missing much - I wouldn't care if the subject was always anti-Hillary or anti-Clinton - it would bore me silly and I'd seriously doubt the value of someone who obsesses much over FOX.
However.
Isn't it sort of a mantra of liberalism that TV does NOT affect behavior? If you don't like it, turn it off or change the channel? That we shouldn't censor TV? That if you want "family entertainment", just watch TV with your kids?
And that TV doesn't inspire criminals, make people violent? Isn't that what liberals and Hollywood having been saying for decades?
I remember when I was a kid, there was an ABC Movie of the Week where someone was doused with gasoline and burned alive - and the very next night, someone did that very thing.
Anyway - I'm amused that you think that FOX has any agenda with its TV programming and writing. I don't see anything particluarly right-wing about most of its primetime programming. They're in the TV show business to make money, and that kind of Norman Lear preachiness doesn't sell any more.
AndyMarquisLIVE
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You forgotSamSpade said:
Larry Gude
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Wtf???
...a super spy-tough guy hunting down and beating on and killing people who want to kill you, me, our nation, our way of life is RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA???????????????????????????????????????????????????
See, this is where GOP'ers look at Pelosi and the like and say "Hey, you're supporting the terrorists."
No opponent is saying "W is doing a poor job of killing bad guys. We'd kill 'em better."
Nancy is not saying "If I were in charge, we'd have whacked Sadr a long time ago and Al queda and Iran would stay the hell out of Iraq because I'd kill them, but good."
Opponents are saying "Oh well, it was all a lie so W could get this or that or the other thing and, thus we have no business there in the first place. The world was a better place with Saddam in power and UBL in Afghanistan."
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
...a super spy-tough guy hunting down and beating on and killing people who want to kill you, me, our nation, our way of life is RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA???????????????????????????????????????????????????
See, this is where GOP'ers look at Pelosi and the like and say "Hey, you're supporting the terrorists."
No opponent is saying "W is doing a poor job of killing bad guys. We'd kill 'em better."
Nancy is not saying "If I were in charge, we'd have whacked Sadr a long time ago and Al queda and Iran would stay the hell out of Iraq because I'd kill them, but good."
Opponents are saying "Oh well, it was all a lie so W could get this or that or the other thing and, thus we have no business there in the first place. The world was a better place with Saddam in power and UBL in Afghanistan."
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
I've never seen "24." My sole source of information about the show comes from Don & Mike. These guys do not like GWB, and they are huge fans of the show, so I assumed that "24" had no particular political viewpoint.
I would watch the show, but DAMMIT THERE'S NO TIME! (sound of massive explosion)
I would watch the show, but DAMMIT THERE'S NO TIME! (sound of massive explosion)
AndyMarquisLIVE
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Neo-cons are using the incident in 24 where L.A. was blown into nothing as propoganda. If we pull out of Iraq, this is what will happen, remember "24."Tonio said:
Now the neo-cons are using 24 for their talking points instead of using 911
ylexot said:
I haven't heard or read that either. Maybe someone is SAYING that it's being said?
BTW - there is a huge difference between neo-cons - and conservatives or Republicans. I realize that liberals use it as some kind of pejorative term against all conservatives, but it's like calling all liberals marxists or socialists. I tend to give less credibility to people who use it as such, because it sounds like they've got a pundit's hand up their butt, and they're just regurgitating.