Tyrants in Maryland do it again

[mAlice]

These are days filled with self-serving people at every level.

You're an authority on that.

 

[Larry Gude]

We're already down it...

I have already stated that I don't think this should be legislated. It should be up to the owner. I'm not claiming it's an easy situation. I definitely don't want to go down that slippery slope of legislating these sort of things.

...you're not reasoning at all. Any objective review of smoking in public over the entire length of our national history would say that smoking has very much become a reduced activity. You say smokers are selfish. That's not fair if you simply compare where smoking used to be acceptable and where it is now. It is disappearing regardless of whether one thinks that is good or bad and the way it is disappearing affects us all.

Any objective analysis over the last 20 years would prove that it is smokers, not the general public that are the ones doing the giving of ground. You seem, by your reasoning, to want it all.

 

[vraiblonde]

It annoys me that they think it's their right to smoke up my space

The only space that belongs to YOU is that which you have bought and paid for, ex: your home. Everything else either belongs to someone else or is community property.

We have already banned smoking on community property. Now MD has decided that they will ban smoking on someone else's property. Because, whether you like it or not, a privately-owned business IS private property. Don't believe me? Go into a restaurant and make a disturbance and see how fast you are kicked out and charged with trespassing.

 

[vraiblonde]

I have already stated that I don't think this should be legislated. It should be up to the owner. I'm not claiming it's an easy situation. I definitely don't want to go down that slippery slope of legislating these sort of things.

Too late. That is what a smoking ban *is*. And you are arguing in favor of it.

 

[kwillia]

The only space that belongs to YOU is that which you have bought and paid for, ex: your home.

Ummm... no one ever truly "owns" their home. We only rent it from the government. Stop paying taxes on it and see what happens. Let the government chose to build a road through your property and see what happens.

 

[ylexot]

Ok, convince us that there are health consequences. And don't just point to agency X or scientist Y who says so. Point us to a scientific study with data.

 

[vraiblonde]

Ummm... no one ever truly "owns" their home. We only rent it from the government. Stop paying taxes on it and see what happens. Let the government chose to build a road through your property and see what happens.

That's a very good point.

 

[kwillia]

Have you never seen pictures of smoker's lungs?

 

[mAlice]

Have you never seen pictures of smoker's lungs?

It's still my lung, and it's nobody's business what I do to it.

 

[ylexot]

Have you never seen pictures of smoker's lungs?

We're talking about second-hand smoke effects.

 

[kwillia]

It's still my lung, and it's nobody's business what I do to it.

Agreed. I never said any different. My post was in response to ylexot wanting info on the hazards of smoking.

 

[cattitude]

Have you never seen pictures of smoker's lungs?

Or my 78 year old father's lungs who was just diagnosed with emphysema and has never smoked in his life but lives with my mom who smoked until 3 years ago.

But it's junk science.

 

[kwillia]

We're talking about second-hand smoke effects.

I have 40% hearing loss from permanent nerve damage in both ears I can attribute to my father smoking in the car and in the apartment during my forumitive years. He eventually stopped smoking around us in closed in environments, but it was too late for me.

 

[ylexot]

I have 40% hearing loss from permanent nerve damage in both ears I can attribute to my father smoking in the car and in the apartment during my forumitive years. He eventually stopped smoking around us in closed in environments, but it was too late for me.

Was he putting the cigarettes out in your ears?

 

[PsyOps]

You're an authority on that.

 

[Larry Gude]

Do you support...

I have 40% hearing loss from permanent nerve damage in both ears I can attribute to my father smoking in the car and in the apartment during my forumitive years. He eventually stopped smoking around us in closed in environments, but it was too late for me.

...a complete smoking ban?

What would you do with smokers who violate it?

 

[Larry Gude]

Do you support a...

Or my 78 year old father's lungs who was just diagnosed with emphysema and has never smoked in his life but lives with my mom who smoked until 3 years ago.

But it's junk science.

...complete smoking ban? And what to do with violators?

 

[PsyOps]

You MUST use a bbq and send belching carcinogens towards my back yard?

No, I MUST not use a bbq. I use a gas grill so the only thing my neighbor would complain about is the food cooking. This would fall in the same line of cooking inside my house with my window open. If my neighbor were to complain only because they didn’t like the smell of my food then… let’s not be ridiculous here.

You can't walk or ride a bike? Why, society is only manipulating you to think you MUST drive a car, that you MUST live so far from work.

You know as well as I do it is not feasible in today’s world to ride a bike. If I could, though, I would. You’re being ridiculous again. And to make a comparison to smoking is equally absurd.

You MUST eat a cheeseburger? What about the cost, #1 btw, to our medical system, heart disease related to cheeseburger eaters who drive everywhere?

I said it’s a person’s choice to eat such foods… come on Larry, you’re better than this.

What about the whole chain of people involved, forced, to provide you with that cheeseburger? The poor bastard who has to put a hole is Daisy's head and gut her? The person forced to transport your meal of death? The innocent illegal immigrant force to inhale the fumes of fratricide as your steak, that you HAVE TO HAVE, cooks over the grill? Hmm? Affects no one, eh? How about anxiety riddled little kinds confronted with the reality that Daisy HAD TO die just because YOU won't eat bean curd?

We’re talking about smoking here Larry. A sickening addiction that affects not only the smoker (who obviously doesn’t care much about themselves) but others. You’re getting off on a tangent that is for a different argument. What people eat is their business. If a person wants to transport beef, that is their business. If a person wants to put a bullet in the head of Daisy, that’s their business. If a business owner wants to allow smoking in their establishment, that’s their business. Someone looking for a job there needs to take that into account. Like I said, I don’t think these are easy answers. But smokers resort to their default answer “It’s my Constitutional right to smoke”. Why yes it is… but it’s still not your right to make me smoke with you. Using your argument… If Gordo chose to be the executioner of Daisy, he can’t force me to participate. If Henry eats cheeseburgers he can’t force me to do the same. Equally, if you smoke, you should not be allowed to force me to do the same.

 

[Kyle]

I have second hand high-blood pressure caused by exposure to morons, busybodies and ###holes forcing others to comply with legislative invasions.


I'm getting a lawyer.

 

[kwillia]

Was he putting the cigarettes out in your ears?

What an azzhole comment to make. The constant fluid in the internal ear that caused the nerve damage was a direct result of the histamine reaction my body had to the 2nd hand smoke. When I was 3 years old I was a part of a study with the University of Maryland. This included me having to go through speech therapy as I could not correctly pronounce my words because I could not hear them properly.