Tyrants in Maryland do it again

[kwillia]

...a complete smoking ban?

Nope. Never said I did.

 

[Tinkerbell]

I have second hand high-blood pressure caused by exposure to morons, busybodies and ###holes forcing others to comply with legislative invasions.


I'm getting a lawyer.

OOO OOO OOO! Me too! Can you make that a class action lawsuit? I'm sure there are bunches of us who could join this lawsuit!

 

[mAlice]

What an azzhole comment to make. The constant fluid in the internal ear that caused the nerve damage was a direct result of the histamine reaction my body had to the 2nd hand smoke. When I was 3 years old I was a part of a study with the University of Maryland. This included me having to go through speech therapy as I could not correctly pronounce my words because I could not hear them properly.

I wonder why we don't hear more about this sort of thing. Both of my parents smoked-in the house, in the car, all around me. I don't have loss of hearing.

 

[Larry Gude]

But what...

Nope. Never said I did.

...to do? You suffered real harm. Should that be ignored? I've met one person in my entire life who actually would argue smoking is not bad for you. From the dawn of smoking people knew damn well it was bad for you, but, on the whole, chose to do it anyway.

 

[Larry Gude]

Surgeon Generals Warning:

I wonder why we don't hear more about this sort of thing. Both of my parents smoked-in the house, in the car, all around me. I don't have loss of hearing.

...on every pack for the last 150 years:

"Caution: It has been determined that second smoke makes you obstinate, opinionated and a health hazard to food service laggards as well as a magnet to same."


Hmmm....

 

[ylexot]

What an azzhole comment to make. The constant fluid in the internal ear that caused the nerve damage was a direct result of the histamine reaction my body had to the 2nd hand smoke. When I was 3 years old I was a part of a study with the University of Maryland. This included me having to go through speech therapy as I could not correctly pronounce my words because I could not hear them properly.

Sorry, but I've never heard anyone even trying to make a link between smoking and hearing loss. So, if it was a histamine reaction, the same thing could happen due to any allergen, right?

 

[PsyOps]

...you're not reasoning at all. Any objective review of smoking in public over the entire length of our national history would say that smoking has very much become a reduced activity. You say smokers are selfish. That's not fair if you simply compare where smoking used to be acceptable and where it is now. It is disappearing regardless of whether one thinks that is good or bad and the way it is disappearing affects us all.

As it should be reduced. It’s a ridiculously stupid thing to do. I say smokers are selfish on all sorts of different levels. Not just because the force others around them to smoke (which you don’t seem to think is much of a right of non-smokers to not have to smoke a smokers smoke…) but health ramifications. I have had to watch my dad struggle through his health in the past 5 years because of it. So the huge impact it has on family and them being forced to take care of a family member because smoking was just too important to them.

Any objective analysis over the last 20 years would prove that it is smokers, not the general public that are the ones doing the giving of ground. You seem, by your reasoning, to want it all.

Certainly not quietly. Using your “smoking in public over the entire length of our national history” statement, it has been (up to this point) the non-smokers that gave ground. That trend has reversed. Now the smokers are crying foul. Who’s more right?

 

[kwillia]

I wonder why we don't hear more about this sort of thing. Both of my parents smoked-in the house, in the car, all around me. I don't have loss of hearing.

And not everyone that drinks and drives takes out the head cheerleader of the local high school or kills himself at two in the morning by driving down a ravine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Same thing.

 

[vraiblonde]

The constant fluid in the internal ear that caused the nerve damage was a direct result of the histamine reaction my body had to the 2nd hand smoke.

So you are/were allergic to smoke, right?

But not everyone is. Therefore you cannot say that second-hand smoke itself is harmful, any more than you can say peanuts or dandelions or cat dander or any other allergen is harmful across the board.

 

[cattitude]

...complete smoking ban? And what to do with violators?

I love the smoking ban because I have problems with smoke irritating my eyes, I get bronchitis-like irritation when exposed to too-smokey places. But I live with a smoker...who has health problems that smoking exacerbates. I don't have medical studies to prove our illnesses and symptoms actually come from smoking but it is what our medical professionals have told us. And if I stay away from cigarette smoke, I do not have the symptoms.

My live-in smoker also smokes in "my" car, any room in our home, etc...no consideration for the fact that cigarette smoke bothers me. He also smokes around the children AND grandchildren. Frankly, if he wants to smoke fine..just not around those of us who don't smoke. It is, however, his home, he contributes to the payment of "my" vehicle.

In reality, I can't say that the government should regulate cigarette smoking. For the most part, I think the smoking area/non-smoking works although I usually acquiesce the smoker I love and breathe in the smoke and sit at the bar or in the smoking section.

My anti-smoking opinion is more of a personal issue because I happen to adore my smoker and it kills me to hear him cough every morning and to know that with each cigarette he smokes, he is endangering his health and ultimately his life.

And you, kind sir to whom I am responding, know exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[aps45819]

If smoking is such a health issue, why doesn't the government ban the sale of cigarettes?

 

[itsbob]

We can, but now we'll no longer have that choice. Anywhere. Thanks a lot, nazi's.

You're welcome!!

 

[Bustem' Down]

As it should be reduced. It’s a ridiculously stupid thing to do. I say smokers are selfish on all sorts of different levels. Not just because the force others around them to smoke (which you don’t seem to think is much of a right of non-smokers to not have to smoke a smokers smoke…) ?

You use this argument all the time, yet I or any smoker I know is more concious and curteous around non-smokers than you say. I and everyone I know do not smoke around non smokers out of common curtousy, the only exception if a non smoker comes with us when we go smoke. You are the most rude non smoker I have ever met. You brand smokers as being selfish, the same way Klan members brand blacks as being thugs.

 

[Kyle]

If smoking is such a health issue, why doesn't the government ban the sale of cigarettes?

They make far too much $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on the taxes.

 

[ylexot]

Certainly not quietly. Using your “smoking in public over the entire length of our national history” statement, it has been (up to this point) the non-smokers that gave ground. That trend has reversed. Now the smokers are crying foul. Who’s more right?

When did non-smokers ever give up ground? They essentially started with no ground. It's tough to give up ground when you don't have any to give.

 

[PsyOps]

The only space that belongs to YOU is that which you have bought and paid for, ex: your home. Everything else either belongs to someone else or is community property.

I didn’t realize we had to start purchasing the air we breathe. This is a crock Vrai. Try reverse this argument on yourself and you may see how faulty it is.

We have already banned smoking on community property. Now MD has decided that they will ban smoking on someone else's property. Because, whether you like it or not, a privately-owned business IS private property. Don't believe me? Go into a restaurant and make a disturbance and see how fast you are kicked out and charged with trespassing.

I have already said it too many times… I don’t want this legislated. I would prefer to see a self-imposed restriction just because you give a damn about my health. But since you don’t care about your own, how can I expect you to care about anyone else’s?

 

[vraiblonde]

Not just because the force others around them to smoke

Who is forcing you to smoke?

Does someone put a gun to your head and frog-march you into smoking establishments?

It's is completely your choice whether you smoke or not smoke, subject yourself to second-hand smoke or not.

 

[aps45819]

You know as well as I do it is not feasible in today’s world to ride a bike. If I could, though, I would. You’re being ridiculous again. And to make a comparison to smoking is equally absurd..

excuse me?

 

[itsbob]

If smoking is such a health issue, why doesn't the government ban the sale of cigarettes?

Where do you propose they hike the taxes to replace the revenue? Add another $1.00 a gallon tax on gasoline? Up your income tax another 5%?

Smoke up.. keep my taxes lower!!

 

[cattitude]

So you are/were allergic to smoke, right?

But not everyone is. Therefore you cannot say that second-hand smoke itself is harmful, any more than you can say peanuts or dandelions or cat dander or any other allergen is harmful across the board.

People aren't "allergic" to cigarette smoke..it's a chemical irritant.