Uh oh - Michael's gonna get...

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by Sharon
Yes, I understand what you're saying; but this is where the men separate from the boys. They boys go after it when they should know better. So it is criminal.

Again this is more a moral issue in my eyes. I guess maybe based upon someone who "use" to be a friend of mine. In her teens she had no problem lying to a guy about her age in order to get what she wanted. And she always went after much older guys thinking they could offer her more. Then at 18 she became a stripper and age was not a factor at all! She'd date a 60 year old if she thought she was going to get enough out of it.

Lemme clarify a few things though. First if a 30 year old man goes after a girl he knows is 13 then yes he should be hung out to dry. But if he goes after a girl thinking that she is "legal" then yes he may be a "perv" or a "dirty old man" but I don't think he's a criminal.

 

[Sharon]

Originally posted by pixiegirl
I guess maybe based upon someone who "use" to be a friend of mine. In her teens she had no problem lying to a guy about her age in order to get what she wanted. And she always went after much older guys thinking they could offer her more. Then at 18 she became a stripper and age was not a factor at all! She'd date a 60 year old if she thought she was going to get enough out of it.

Sounds like her lifes ambition was to prostutite herself and she obtained her goal in life.

But if he goes after a girl thinking that she is "legal" then yes he may be a "perv" or a "dirty old man" but I don't think he's a criminal.

That's why as a society we make these laws, so men will think with the other head. The boys will use the excuse, "I didn't know". Ignorance of the law is no excuse, try it in court sometime.

I do understand your "moral issue"...wait until you're older and have a daughter who is 13.

 

[citysherry]

First, if at 13/14 my daughter is out in a bar/club, using a fake ID, consuming alcohol and hooking up with older men, then I've absolutely failed at my job as a parent. Pixie, where were your parents when you doing this? I understand that parents can't be with their children 24/7 but how could you're parents/guardian not know what you were doing.

 

[tlatchaw]

Wow! Reading all of this makes the Barbies and My Little Ponies that litter my home seem alot more tolerable. Do they really have to grow up? Thinking back on the trouble that her mother and I each caused our parents I think I'd better start buying razor wire and amunition now (that'll keep the boys away!)

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by pixiegirl
I'm saying it's not criminal if they 13/14 year old girls are portraying themselves as legal.

Actually I think the law still makes it an illegal act. Here are the statutes for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th degree rape.

§ 3-304.
(a) A person may not engage in vaginal intercourse with another:
(1) By force, or the threat of force, without the consent of the other;
(2) If the victim is a mentally defective individual, a mentally incapacitated individual, or a physically helpless individual, and the person performing the act knows or reasonably should know that the victim is a mentally defective individual, a mentally incapacitated individual, or a physically helpless individual; or
(3) If the victim is under the age of 14 years, and the person performing the act is at least 4 years older than the victim.
(b) A person who violates this section is guilty of the felony of rape in the second degree and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 20 years.

§ 3-307.
(a) A person may not:
(1) (i) Engage in sexual contact with another without the consent of the other; and
(ii) 1. Employ or display a dangerous weapon, or a physical object that the victim reasonably believes is a dangerous weapon;
2. Suffocate, strangle, disfigure, or inflict serious physical injury on the victim or another in the course of committing the crime;
3. Threaten, or place the victim in fear, that the victim, or an individual known to the victim, imminently will be subject to death, suffocation, strangulation, disfigurement, serious physical injury, or kidnapping; or
4. Commit the crime while aided and abetted by another;
(2) Engage in sexual contact with another if the victim is a mentally defective individual, a mentally incapacitated individual, or a physically helpless individual, and the person performing the act knows or reasonably should know the victim is a mentally defective individual, a mentally incapacitated individual, or a physically helpless individual;
(3) Engage in sexual contact with another if the victim is under the age of 14 years, and the person performing the sexual contact is at least 4 years older than the victim;
(4) Engage in a sexual act with another if the victim is 14 or 15 years old, and the person performing the sexual act is at least 21 years old; or
(5) Engage in vaginal intercourse with another if the victim is 14 or 15 years old, and the person performing the act is at least 21 years old.
(b) A person who violates this section is guilty of the felony of sexual offense in the third degree and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 10 years.

§ 3-308.
(a) A person may not engage in:
(1) Sexual contact with another without the consent of the other;
(2) Except as provided in § 3-307(a)(4) of this subtitle, a sexual act with another if the victim is 14 or 15 years old, and the person performing the sexual act is at least 4 years older than the victim; or
(3) Except as provided in § 3-307(a)(5) of this subtitle, vaginal intercourse with another if the victim is 14 or 15 years old, and the person performing the act is at least 4 years older than the victim.
(b) A person who violates this section is guilty of the misdemeanor of sexual offense in the fourth degree and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 1 year or a fine not exceeding $1,000 or both.

 

[SeaRide]

Originally posted by pixiegirl
.... But if he goes after a girl thinking that she is "legal" then yes he may be a "perv" or a "dirty old man" but I don't think he's a criminal.

Let me ask you this way

- Is the person responsible/accountable for his own action
when he was not smart enough to THINK that the kid was NOT
underage? is he a criminal or not? Is he still
responsible/accountable for his own action? yes or no?

let me rephrase ..

- is the guy responsible/accountable for his own action
when he commit a murder/rape while he was deaddrunk
( I mean blackout bigtime) ? is he a criminal or not?

 

[Sharon]

citysherry,

Pixie has stated many times how headstrong she is and went against her parents wishes, knowing they didn't approve. I don't think you can blame them for trying. Kids will find a way to do whatever they want to, no matter how hard their parents try.

 

[citysherry]

Originally posted by Sharon
citysherry,

Pixie has stated many times how headstrong she is and went against her parents wishes, knowing they didn't approve. I don't think you can blame them for trying. Kids will find a way to do whatever they want to, no matter how hard their parents try.

Thanks for the info., and obviously Pixie's behavior is not the norm [please, please, please,]

I can only hope that my girls will follow in my footsteps by waiting until I went away to college before I went wild.

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by citysherry
Thanks for the info., and obviously Pixie's behavior is not the norm [please, please, please,]

I can only hope that my girls will follow in my footsteps by waiting until I went away to college before I went wild.

What Sharon said was correct. At 13/14 my parents tried to keep me under thumb but could not. I lied (said I was spending the night at a friends house) or just snuck out after they were asleep. Kids (especially smart headstrong ones) will find a way.

But on the up side to it all getting a head start on it also meant I grew out of it early. I'm 24 now and haven't been really bad since I was 18. I go out to clubs and whatnot now but not at the rate that I did then. It was a learning experience in what not to do to say the least.

I also feel that my personal experiences will aid me in being a more effective parent myself. My parents (well my mom) had never come close to experiencing what I did in my teens. Thus she was oblivious to just how bad I was. I've been there, done that and gotten several t-shirts so not a whole lot is going to get past me because I'll know what to look for.

 

[pixiegirl]

Originally posted by SeaRide
Let me ask you this way

- Is the person responsible/accountable for his own action
when he was not smart enough to THINK that the kid was NOT
underage? is he a criminal or not? Is he still
responsible/accountable for his own action? yes or no?

let me rephrase ..

- is the guy responsible/accountable for his own action
when he commit a murder/rape while he was deaddrunk
( I mean blackout bigtime) ? is he a criminal or not?

For the first part.... If you meet someone in a club in DC they are suppose to be carded at the door and be of age to get it period. So if a minor breaks the law by misrepresenting themselves to get in then I don't think that someone else should be held accountable for it. We're not talking common sense here we're talking logistics. I've seen people misrepresent themselves and I've seen other people fall for it. I just don't think it's right. Not just when it comes to sex either. I don't think that club/bar owners should be held accountable for serving alcohol to minors if the minors are getting in on legit looking IDs. Kids or not I think that they should be held accountable for themselves.

For the second. Absolutely. We're comparing apples and oranges here. No one misrepresented the alcohol they were consuming in order to get to that state of mind. Now if someone slips you a Jimmy and you freak out then that's a different story.

 

[Larry Gude]

How inconvenient...

The new case is different from the 1993 investigation because California law has changed and an alleged victim can be forced to testify, Sneddon said. In the old case the alleged victim, who reportedly received a settlement from Jackson, refused to testify.

Rutro shaggy.

Put away your checkbook.

 

[Kizzy]

Bail was set at 3 million and he was ordered to surrender his passport.

The district attorney said the investigation had been under way for some time, and he ridiculed any connection to the CD’s release: “Like the sheriff and I are really into that kind of music.”

 

[Sharon]

 

[Ponytail]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../ap_on_en_mu/michael_jackson&cid=501&ncid=716

Apparently the last criminal case against him went south, because the alleged victim "was no longer interested" in cooperating with authorities in the criminal case, once the civil case was settled.

That won't happen this time.

Boy, I can't WAIT for THOSE mugshots, and paparazi photos of Mike behind bars.

 

[LadyInRed]

" I remember when Micheal Jackson was Black and Sex was safe" consenting adults that is...............

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by Sharon

Cool picture!

I checked out that site and was disappointed to learn that it has a conservative slant. I was hoping the site would have no political affiliation. Let's see the sacred cows from BOTH sides grilled to perfection!

 

[Steve]

When I was 15, I played strip poker with some people 25-30. Does that make me a victim, or just extremely lucky?

Oh, and to get to play, I broke curfew and stayed out until about 3:00am. Could I have claimed I was kidnapped? I probably should have, then I could have avoided the punishment!

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
I have never seen a 14 year old in my life that could pass for 21.

http://dk.news.yahoo.com/031108/33/2z087.html

Now you can say you have!! (Okay, so she's 15, sorry.) And when I was 18, I met a girl (13) one day that I absolutely did not believe was that young, until she pulled out her school ID and proved me wrong. They're out there Vrai, and many of them use their more mature looks to their advantage. Until they get caught, then suddenly they are victims! Makes me just as sick.