Ukraine / Russia - Actions and Reactions

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
I was just watching some gun camera video of a Ukrainain armored vehicle taking out two similar Russian ones at practically point blank range (maybe one city block?) in the middle of an obviously very urban environment. The two Russian vehicles/targets were roughly at 90-degree firing angles from each other and that UA rapid-firing cannon (30 mm?) chewed those Russky cans to pieces, without either of them even getting their gun turret trained in the direction of the UA vehicle. Dang impressive.
 

UglyBear

Well-Known Member
I was just watching some gun camera video of a Ukrainain armored vehicle taking out two similar Russian ones at practically point blank range (maybe one city block?) in the middle of an obviously very urban environment. The two Russian vehicles/targets were roughly at 90-degree firing angles from each other and that UA rapid-firing cannon (30 mm?) chewed those Russky cans to pieces, without either of them even getting their gun turret trained in the direction of the UA vehicle. Dang impressive.
One is fighting on their home turf, for their home and family. The other is following a crazed old man and doesn’t even know why they are there. Also, in Russia, the conscripts are the dummies who couldn’t get enough money for a bribe to get out of the service. Not the best of their people.
 

UglyBear

Well-Known Member
I’ll try to keep from ranting :)
USSR had universal two year conscription (3 for the Navy). Attitude towards it changed in the 70’s.
After WWII, everyone had a father/uncle/etc who was proud of their service in beating back Nazis. Boys were eager to go in for their 2 years to be like them. Girls wouldn’t date a guy who didn’t serve. Officers and NCOs were battle-hardened veterans, who enforced discipline and respected their soldiers.
Starting in the 70’s, with retirement of those officers, discipline crashed. Culture of extreme hazing meant that a kid going in had a chance of being buggered, disabled, or otherwise traumatized.
The generals used soldiers as private labor force — construction of private houses, servants, etc. Anything that could be sold was sold by the officers. There really was no purpose to it anymore. Then came Afghanistan.
So it became socially acceptable to use any means to get your kid out of the service — bribing doctors, members of the conscription boards, etc. Modern Russia even more so.
 

UglyBear

Well-Known Member
General observation on conduct of Russian vs. Ukrainian army:
Russians seem to be stuck in the same mindset they had since before WWII. Reliance on high-tech weaponry, with top-down command of poorly trained, unmotivated conscripts.
The same got their behinds kicked by numerically inferior, worse armed, but better led Germans, all the way to Moscow.
Ukrainians have the home territory advantage, plus being on defense in Eastern European Spring, plus higher professionalism in their armed forces.
 

UglyBear

Well-Known Member
My mental dam burst, ranting continues.

Moderate-timeline implication of the Russian debacle: China.
If I was Putin (Lord save me from that fate), I would be very nervously watching China right about now.
Russia, in their obsession to “rise from their knees”, “to get America”, have allied themselves with China. The thing is, China’s best and only ally is China.
China owns large parts of Russia (and Ukraine, paid for by our American dollars). They are quite unhappy with Russia destroying their investments in Ukraine, and seem to grow tired or paying for unstable Russian cleptocracy.
Now that Russian army has proven to be very inept and will grind themselves up against Ukrainian defenses, China might see an opening.
China will have a surplus of celibate males pissed off after COVID, and nothing else is as good for letting off steam as a short and victorious land campaign. To roll across Siberia, maybe?
The only question is nukes. Both have them, neither wants to use them.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
The media and some well-intentioned folks in the comments have been earnestly assuring me that Ukrainian president Zelensky is a true hero of the people and definitely NOT a nazi, not at all, the guy is jewish, just LOOK at him. Does he look like a nazi to you?

But un-heroically, and actually kind of nazi-like, to be honest, on Sunday president Zelensky outlawed eleven (11) Ukrainian opposition parties, which is exactly what Hitler did once he got hold of his ‘temporary’ emergency powers. Don’t cancel me; I’m just saying.

National Review reported on the story in a Sunday article headlined “Zelensky Suspends Opposition Parties in Ukraine with Russia Ties.” The move included Ukraine’s main minority political party, which often opposes Zelensky’s policies, plus most of the main left-wing groups in the country. Commenters point out that Zelensky didn’t ban either Azov or Svoboda — the two parties regularly accused of literal neo-nazism. In a statement about the order on Sunday, president Zelensky said, “The activities of those politicians aimed at division or collusion will not succeed, but will receive a harsh response.”

A harsh response. Well, okay then. How very nazi-like of you.

Reuters reported that Zelensky also nationalized all the country’s privately-owned TV channels into a single platform under his control, citing the importance of a “unified information policy.”

Thanks, behavioral psychologists, for handing governments the “disinformation” weapon and authorizing them to use it.

Last week, using his emergency war powers, Zelensky shut down three television networks that he claimed were peddling Moscow-funded content. I.e., disinformation. In a tweet Wednesday, Zelensky explained the cancelled networks’ coverage was just “propaganda financed by the aggressor country that undermines Ukraine on its way” to incorporation into the European Union and the NATO alliance.

You can’t allow underminers if you want to do a good war.

But not everyone agrees with the way Zelensky is handling the media. For example, the European Union’s Foreign Policy head minister Josep Borrell said last Wednesday, “Given the scale of disinformation campaigns affecting Ukraine including from abroad, this should not come at the expense of freedom of media.” So.

Does anyone else think it’s odd that Ukrainian TV networks are still fully operational, or is it just me? Wouldn’t that have been one of the first targets for Russian airstrikes? What on Earth is going on? What kind of war are they running anyway?



 

Kinnakeet

Well-Known Member
The truth is the fact checkers lied, big time. The “science” didn’t “evolve.” It was a simple fact: whether there were, or were not, U.S.-supported biolabs researching weaponizable pathogens in the Ukraine that the Russians knew about. Our fact checkers assured us, promised, there was NO WAY. Then, just when the Russians started closing in on the labs, all of a sudden it’s like “well OF COURSE we’ve been helping research ANTHRAX in Ukraine because science. And safety!”

So, they want us to believe that the U.S. government is helping a non-ally bordering one of our major geo-political enemies tinker with weaponizable pathogens like anthrax in multiple secret facilities — to innocently advance medical science and help poor people? Please.

Think about it. We’ve been DELIBERATELY loading dangerous pathogens into advanced labs that could weaponize them into POLITICALLY UNSTABLE COUNTRIES like Ukraine? A country that JUST had a massive color revolution in 2014? How does that make sense? And somehow the Pentagon seems to know in real time whatever the Ukrainians are doing in those labs, like destroying the evidence, I mean the pathogens?




These labs are making the pathogens to destroy man kind so the elite can rule the world
 

Kinnakeet

Well-Known Member
The media and some well-intentioned folks in the comments have been earnestly assuring me that Ukrainian president Zelensky is a true hero of the people and definitely NOT a nazi, not at all, the guy is jewish, just LOOK at him. Does he look like a nazi to you?

But un-heroically, and actually kind of nazi-like, to be honest, on Sunday president Zelensky outlawed eleven (11) Ukrainian opposition parties, which is exactly what Hitler did once he got hold of his ‘temporary’ emergency powers. Don’t cancel me; I’m just saying.

National Review reported on the story in a Sunday article headlined “Zelensky Suspends Opposition Parties in Ukraine with Russia Ties.” The move included Ukraine’s main minority political party, which often opposes Zelensky’s policies, plus most of the main left-wing groups in the country. Commenters point out that Zelensky didn’t ban either Azov or Svoboda — the two parties regularly accused of literal neo-nazism. In a statement about the order on Sunday, president Zelensky said, “The activities of those politicians aimed at division or collusion will not succeed, but will receive a harsh response.”

A harsh response. Well, okay then. How very nazi-like of you.

Reuters reported that Zelensky also nationalized all the country’s privately-owned TV channels into a single platform under his control, citing the importance of a “unified information policy.”

Thanks, behavioral psychologists, for handing governments the “disinformation” weapon and authorizing them to use it.

Last week, using his emergency war powers, Zelensky shut down three television networks that he claimed were peddling Moscow-funded content. I.e., disinformation. In a tweet Wednesday, Zelensky explained the cancelled networks’ coverage was just “propaganda financed by the aggressor country that undermines Ukraine on its way” to incorporation into the European Union and the NATO alliance.

You can’t allow underminers if you want to do a good war.

But not everyone agrees with the way Zelensky is handling the media. For example, the European Union’s Foreign Policy head minister Josep Borrell said last Wednesday, “Given the scale of disinformation campaigns affecting Ukraine including from abroad, this should not come at the expense of freedom of media.” So.

Does anyone else think it’s odd that Ukrainian TV networks are still fully operational, or is it just me? Wouldn’t that have been one of the first targets for Russian airstrikes? What on Earth is going on? What kind of war are they running anyway?



How is the power still on in some places that should have been a major target to destroy I think there is a whole lot of BS being fed to the AMERICAN people to cover up the Govt' labs that the russians have exposed
 
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