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littlelady

God bless the USA
You should pack your bags and leave if you hate America so much. Your such a Doomsday Diva!

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As Always,
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I have never said I hate America. I love America. My hub served to protect Her. I see Her descending into chaos which will negate everything that patriots have ever fought for. I know trolls have no brains, but please try again. Thanks.

You are relentless as a troll. You even cross over into religious threads which is not your usual trolling ground.

One more thing. I am a part of generations that protected this country from Her beginning. You are a flake, which is worse than a troll, actually.
 
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Radiant1

Soul Probe
Catholics aren't prone to telling others what to do?

And if your pope is not already a saint, what is he? The Bible tells me, as written by Paul, all believers are saints. So the previous popes, and saints that were not popes, are all superior to the current pontif that you take your marching orders from.

Wow. Jesus the sacrificed must really be proud of his true followers of the catholic church. Just chomping at the bit to let ya'lls in.

Sad testimony for your church. You believe in Jesus as yur savior, but do not believe in your sainthood and priesthood, as written by your saint Paul?

Fantastic testimony for the sacrifice of Jesus for your salvation.

Francis, by your estimate, has a "good chance" of being declared a saint?:lmao:

1. I don't recall any Catholic telling you what to believe.
2. If you're a sinner, you aren't a saint. Saint (hagios) means sacred, physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated, holy. Paul specifies at the beginning of his epistles "saints AND faithful", meaning two different peoples, as in not the same. Those who have obtained heaven, known and unknown, are saints. You, sir, are no saint.
3. You believe everyone can interpret scripture for themselves but then get upset when someone doesn't interpret as you do. You accuse Catholics of mindlessly following the Pope, but then get upset when Catholics don't mindlessly follow you. Stop being a blatant hypocrite.

If he isn't "declared a saint", then why was he a pope in the first place, and why do you follow him instead of God?

Unbelieveable,

^^Follow him instead of God? You have now stooped to your lowest of lows, congratulations. God left us with a visible Church that binds and looses, and that's the Church that I'm a part of. I suppose this question truly should be turned around on you, but don't bother answering because you will tell us how you follow God by listening to yourself. You are your own pope and there isn't much difference in the concept that you are deriding, which is highly ironic, and yet again makes you a blatant hypocrite.
 

Amused_despair

New Member
I have never said I hate America. I love America. My hub served to protect Her. I see Her descending into chaos which will negate everything that patriots have ever fought for. I know trolls have no brains, but please try again. Thanks.

You are relentless as a troll. You even cross over into religious threads which is not your usual trolling ground.

One more thing. I am a part of generations that protected this country from Her beginning. You are a flake, which is worse than a troll, actually.

Actually, in Salvador's defense, you are the one who involved politics. But the whole "if you argue against America you must hate it so you should leave" argument is ridiculous no matter what side of the aisle your leanings are. If you do not like what you see you should speak up, not blindly accept in the name of "patriotism. But since this is the Religion forum, you do realize that in order for the events of the Book of Revelations to occur it pretty much requires there to not be a United States, or at least not a strong one. I have always wondered if Babylon does not refer to us.
 
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Chuckt

Guest
1. I don't recall any Catholic telling you what to believe.
2. If you're a sinner, you aren't a saint. Saint (hagios) means sacred, physically pure, morally blameless or religious, ceremonially consecrated, holy. Paul specifies at the beginning of his epistles "saints AND faithful", meaning two different peoples, as in not the same. Those who have obtained heaven, known and unknown, are saints. You, sir, are no saint.
3. You believe everyone can interpret scripture for themselves but then get upset when someone doesn't interpret as you do. You accuse Catholics of mindlessly following the Pope, but then get upset when Catholics don't mindlessly follow you. Stop being a blatant hypocrite.



^^Follow him instead of God? You have now stooped to your lowest of lows, congratulations. God left us with a visible Church that binds and looses, and that's the Church that I'm a part of. I suppose this question truly should be turned around on you, but don't bother answering because you will tell us how you follow God by listening to yourself. You are your own pope and there isn't much difference in the concept that you are deriding, which is highly ironic, and yet again makes you a blatant hypocrite.

It is an invisible Church.

You are false on the saint part and I can tell you haven't read your Bible.

Romans 3:9 ¶ What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Therefore, your definition falls apart because Paul, Peter, and the others weren't better than the them and that all are under sin.


1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The deceivers are the Catholics according to 1 John 1:8.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Make sure you circle the word "all" in your Bible, Radiant.

Make sure you read your Bible for yourself instead of just being fed what they think it means. They've deceived you according to 1 John 1:8.
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
It is an invisible Church.

You are false on the saint part and I can tell you haven't read your Bible.

Romans 3:9 ¶ What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Therefore, your definition falls apart because Paul, Peter, and the others weren't better than the them and that all are under sin.


1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The deceivers are the Catholics according to 1 John 1:8.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Make sure you circle the word "all" in your Bible, Radiant.

Make sure you read your Bible for yourself instead of just being fed what they think it means. They've deceived you according to 1 John 1:8.

Saints are those in heaven. In heaven there is no sin. On earth we are sinners; therefore, there are no saints on earth. It's really quite simple. I'm sorry you went to the trouble to post scripture passages that are not relevant.

The Church is BOTH visible AND invisible as much as Christ is human and divine. It's not called The Body of Christ for nothing. In fact, when Paul mentions both the faithful and the saints it is indicative of both visible and invisible. I don't have time to go through them all, but here are a few passages that should serve you well. Keep in mind you have to use a bit of reason, which, at this point, I'm honestly not sure you're capable of because you seem to love your anti-Catholic polemic more than you love Truth.

Matt. 16 and 18 - Jesus says "church" not "churches", and He's going to build it. Something that has been built is visible. Binding and loosing are visible acts, which requires a visible church. What is bound or loosed on earth is bound and loosed in heaven, which denotes both a visible and invisible church.

Eph. 1 and 5, and Col 1 - Paul called it the body of Christ, not the soul of Christ. Bodies are visible, souls are invisible. Everyone nourishes the "flesh" as Christ does the Church. Flesh is not invisible.

1 Peter 3 - Peter tells us to have unity of spirit, which is impossible unless there is a central teaching authority given to us by God, which He gave us in Matthew 16. It started from the Apostles who laid hands on their successors up to this very day. It's visible and historically documented.

In fact, when you look at what the Apostles do instead of just reading what they say, you can see that there was a visibly organized body of believers, the Apostolic Church that has continued to this day.

If it were not for this visibly organized body of believers you wouldn't have all the writings of scripture that you solely rely on. The more you denigrate the Catholic Church the more you denigrate the Word of God because it's Catholic men who were inspired to write the Bible. Let me reiterate -- it was the Catholic Church that God used to give you the bible, so how can you denigrate what God has chosen? I suspect that you don't even bother to reconcile that in your small mind.

And while I'm at it, if you believe I am able to interpret scripture as I see fit and don't need anyone to tell me how to do so, then for the love of God don't tell me how to do so. The fact that you reject my interpretations and respond with your own tells us at least two things, 1) there must be an authority for without it there is obviously no unity and 2) you're a hypocrite, you can't even follow your own rules.
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
Ah, the old saint argument from the rcc. It is just too complicated (for the layman, according to the brass of the rcc) to understand the simple meaning of the word saint, translated from the Greek "hagios", which means holy ones. All in Christ, that is saved believers, are saints, or holy ones, in Him because of finished work of Christ on earth. Sanctified on earth for His exclusive use. No need to be dead - that does nothing to further the work here.

No need to be dead a very long time, no need to be nominated, discussed, and voted on by the old vote hisself, still living, by the way, no need for the big ceremony and parties associated to sainthood. But there is a bonus to the rcc side, especially for those who become saints eventually - somehow, someway, those saints seem to be get a pass and are able to avoid their purgatory, obviously reserved only for the masses and the works needed to get those lost souls back on track to the good side of hell.

Good luck with that. And to speak against teachings of the rcc like this - pure hatred, and blatant hypocrisy.

Nobody is telling you the proper interpretation of scripture any more than you are telling them how wrong they are. Hypocrite.:buddies:
 
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Radiant1

Soul Probe
Ah, the old saint argument from the rcc. It is just too complicated (for the layman, according to the brass of the rcc) to understand the simple meaning of the word saint, translated from the Greek "hagios", which means holy ones. All in Christ, that is saved believers, are saints, or holy ones, in Him because of finished work of Christ on earth. Sanctified on earth for His exclusive use. No need to be dead - that does nothing to further the work here.

Nobody is telling you the proper interpretation of scripture any more than you are telling them how wrong they are. Hypocrite.:buddies:

On the contrary, you just attempted to do so.

So, let me get this straight. You claim to be a saved believer, therefore you claim to be a saint, which in turn means you are a holy one. So, you are claiming that you are holy. Got it. I totally disagree with that, but whatever. According to your doctrine I'm entitled to my interpretations as are you, so why do you continue on so? It's stupid on your part.

Why do you people not follow your own damn rules???
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Oh, yeah. Way beyond that. A sovereign that rules by their religious beliefs. Are you down with that? How abut the caliphate ruling any country, according to the vatican?



you really should be quiet while you are behind ..... no one is talking about the Catholic Church 'running a country'


but the area covered by the Vatican inside the city of Rome, is considered a Sovereign Nation - their own police etc
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
you really should be quiet while you are behind ..... no one is talking about the Catholic Church 'running a country'


but the area covered by the Vatican inside the city of Rome, is considered a Sovereign Nation - their own police etc

The rcc runs more than a country - in their own behind the scenes way, the rcc runs, or has a very big hand in controlling policy based on religion, a good portion of the western world - and not unlike islam, hinduism, protestant Christianity, and any other 'ism.

I don't want any religion, even mine, running or setting policy for its' citizens. Let them decide.

I'm not behind in anything here - I simply observe the obvious.
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
On the contrary, you just attempted to do so.

So, let me get this straight. You claim to be a saved believer, therefore you claim to be a saint, which in turn means you are a holy one. So, you are claiming that you are holy. Got it. I totally disagree with that, but whatever. According to your doctrine I'm entitled to my interpretations as are you, so why do you continue on so? It's stupid on your part.

Why do you people not follow your own damn rules???

We follow the rules as written down in the Bible. Rules made for the sinner. Like it or not, radi1, if you are saved (you shold know that one way or the other) by placing your faith in Jesus and his work on the cross, then, horror of horrors - you are a saint as well. We're brothers and sisters in Christ! I know that just sickens you to think that, that Jesus, by his teachings, determines who is a saint, and not some dude sitting in his ivory tower trying on new pointy hats.

Hope you have a great day. I know I will.
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
We follow the rules as written down in the Bible. Rules made for the sinner. Like it or not, radi1, if you are saved (you shold know that one way or the other) by placing your faith in Jesus and his work on the cross, then, horror of horrors - you are a saint as well. We're brothers and sisters in Christ! I know that just sickens you to think that, that Jesus, by his teachings, determines who is a saint, and not some dude sitting in his ivory tower trying on new pointy hats.

Hope you have a great day. I know I will.

There you go again, you're telling me what the bible says, and in so doing you aren't following your own doctrine. What you are saying is that you follow rules as written down in the bible, as interpreted by you. Jim Jones and David Koresh said the same thing, didn't they? And I'm not sure, but I think those two would have called themselves saved just as you do. As far as I'm concerned you're following rules that were made up in your head, and by your own standards you have no authority to tell me any different.

So, really, again...

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN RULES???
 

Amused_despair

New Member
There you go again, you're telling me what the bible says, and in so doing you aren't following your own doctrine. What you are saying is that you follow rules as written down in the bible, as interpreted by you. Jim Jones and David Koresh said the same thing, didn't they? And I'm not sure, but I think those two would have called themselves saved just as you do. As far as I'm concerned you're following rules that were made up in your head, and by your own standards you have no authority to tell me any different.

So, really, again...

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE NOT FOLLOW YOUR OWN RULES???

Because Jesus preached "Love your neighbor, forgive your enemy"

b23Hqb and chuckt preach "hate hate hate"
 
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Chuckt

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Because Jesus preached "Love your neighbor, forgive your enemy"

b23Hqb and chuckt preach "hate hate hate"

You don't know your Bible or what is right or wrong.

Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

http://biblehub.com/john/18-23.htm

Jesus did something great for victim's rights and that was to not turn the other cheek but to speak up for victims.

I can forgive you before God but to forgive you to your face may require that you admit that you did something wrong because if you don't admit that you did something wrong then what did you do wrong for me to forgive you of?

It isn't hate but light:

Ephesiansd 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

And sin is always against God so you are saying that I have something to forgive when it is really a sin done against God:

Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

http://biblehub.com/psalms/51-4.htm

So if their sin is against God, I can't forgive that sin because it isn't against me.

I will pray for your confusion:

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
 
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Chuckt

Guest
you really should be quiet while you are behind ..... no one is talking about the Catholic Church 'running a country'


but the area covered by the Vatican inside the city of Rome, is considered a Sovereign Nation - their own police etc

Tell that to Jamie. She was hired by a company, signed a form that she couldn't sue her employer, was in another sovereign nation and allegedly was tied up, raped, etc., and if I remember correctly, she was locked up in a shipping container with her implants punctured.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702

The argument is that you are saying people can be deprived of their rights because they are on someone else's turf.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Leigh_Jones
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Tell that to Jamie. She was hired by a company, signed a form that she couldn't sue her employer, was in another sovereign nation and allegedly was tied up, raped, etc., and if I remember correctly, she was locked up in a shipping container with her implants punctured.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=3977702

The argument is that you are saying people can be deprived of their rights because they are on someone else's turf.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Leigh_Jones

We should call you the "Google Warrior". Yr just a killin' em with quotes and links, Chuckee...:killingme
 
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