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Chuckt

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Radiant1 said:
Saints are those in heaven. In heaven there is no sin. On earth we are sinners; therefore, there are no saints on earth. It's really quite simple. I'm sorry you went to the trouble to post scripture passages that are not relevant.

The Church is BOTH visible AND invisible as much as Christ is human and divine. It's not called The Body of Christ for nothing. In fact, when Paul mentions both the faithful and the saints it is indicative of both visible and invisible. I don't have time to go through them all, but here are a few passages that should serve you well. Keep in mind you have to use a bit of reason, which, at this point, I'm honestly not sure you're capable of because you seem to love your anti-Catholic polemic more than you love Truth.

Matt. 16 and 18 - Jesus says "church" not "churches", and He's going to build it. Something that has been built is visible. Binding and loosing are visible acts, which requires a visible church. What is bound or loosed on earth is bound and loosed in heaven, which denotes both a visible and invisible church.

Eph. 1 and 5, and Col 1 - Paul called it the body of Christ, not the soul of Christ. Bodies are visible, souls are invisible. Everyone nourishes the "flesh" as Christ does the Church. Flesh is not invisible.

1 Peter 3 - Peter tells us to have unity of spirit, which is impossible unless there is a central teaching authority given to us by God, which He gave us in Matthew 16. It started from the Apostles who laid hands on their successors up to this very day. It's visible and historically documented.

In fact, when you look at what the Apostles do instead of just reading what they say, you can see that there was a visibly organized body of believers, the Apostolic Church that has continued to this day.

If it were not for this visibly organized body of believers you wouldn't have all the writings of scripture that you solely rely on. The more you denigrate the Catholic Church the more you denigrate the Word of God because it's Catholic men who were inspired to write the Bible. Let me reiterate -- it was the Catholic Church that God used to give you the bible, so how can you denigrate what God has chosen? I suspect that you don't even bother to reconcile that in your small mind.

And while I'm at it, if you believe I am able to interpret scripture as I see fit and don't need anyone to tell me how to do so, then for the love of God don't tell me how to do so. The fact that you reject my interpretations and respond with your own tells us at least two things, 1) there must be an authority for without it there is obviously no unity and 2) you're a hypocrite, you can't even follow your own rules.
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Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/1-2.htm

The living people / Christians in Corinth were called saints and "to be" is in italics because it isn't in the original Greek which means that the living were called Saints.

You are having translation issues because you let someone insert words that aren't there and you are still interpreting by the inserted words.
 
Radiant1

Radiant1

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Chuckt said:
:blahblah: :blahblah:
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And there you go giving your interpretation again in which nobody asked for. I'm not aware of anything or anyone who has made you an authority on scripture over anyone else. In fact, your own standards ensure that you aren't, so why are you keeping up this ludicrous ruse?

Gilligan said:
Yes, but that is purely accidental on his part.
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I can't give him the benefit of the doubt any longer.
 
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Radiant1

Radiant1

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Chuckt said:
Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/1-2.htm

The living people / Christians in Corinth were called saints and "to be" is in italics because it isn't in the original Greek which means that the living were called Saints.

You are having translation issues because you let someone insert words that aren't there and you are still interpreting by the inserted words.
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I'm not having translation issues, you're having translations issues! :neener: We're all having translation issues, but that's ok because all of us can translate! :getdown:











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Chuckt

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Radiant1 said:
And there you go giving your interpretation again in which nobody asked for. I'm not aware of anything or anyone who has made you an authority on scripture over anyone else. In fact, your own standards ensure that you aren't, so why are you keeping up this ludicrous ruse?



I can't give him the benefit of the doubt any longer.
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That is the standard answer for people who can't answer and have no excuse because you ran out of reasons for what you believe.
 
Radiant1

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Chuckt said:
That is the standard answer for people who can't answer and have no excuse because you ran out of reasons for what you believe.
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No, that's the standard answer from those of us who use reason and have no desire to denigrate scripture by slinging it back and forth as monkeys sling ####. Anybody can make scripture say what they want it to when everyone is their own interpreter and authority. You have yet to answer for your hypocrisy of holding to personal interpretation while insisting everyone interprets as you, but I suppose we'll get the "standard" silence on that. :lol:
 
Bird Dog

Bird Dog

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Chuckt said:
I didn't post "Blah Blah". Your quote says I did. Show me where I posted that. More false witness from you.

http://forums.somd.com/threads/3046...rmation-quot?p=5590601&viewfull=1#post5590601
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She just being nice to you, instead of calling you a false prophet and a Squawking parrot......

Blah Blah = Squawwwwkkkkk. The RCC is bad...I'm smarter than you Squwwwwwk.
She is also interpreting your posts like you interpret Scripture...if you are really so slow I have to explain it for you.....
No false witness there.....
 

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