Vatican: Naive in Seeking Peace w/Muslims

[Starman3000m]

(Excerpt from Article) Saturday, September 29, 2007

Muslims urged to work for peace
Vatican message yearns for an end to religious conflict
Associated Press - by Nicole Winfield

"VATICAN CITY - The Vatican on Friday urged Muslims to reject violence, work with Christians for peace, and to love and respect all people and not become "cultural or religious blocs opposed to one another."'

Sorry, but Fundamental Muslims view Christianity in general and Roman Catholicism in particular as a pagan/polytheist religion that needs to submit to Islam.

The truth of the matter is that Islam has now become empowered enough to seek revenge for the Crusades and is sworn to continue the Qur'anic decree to persecute and subdue the "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians) until they submit and to kill all other non-Muslims who do not embrace the teachings of Al'lah and Muhammad.

For those who are able to see Biblical prophecy unfolding, this world is headed toward a mega-disaster for all free societies.

"...yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." (John 16:2)

"...and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
(Revelation 20:4)

Research: http://www.Starman3000.com

 

[ItalianScallion]

Again, the RCC's problem is blindness. They are as bad as the democrats on this. These terrorist animals do not understand reasoning or negotiating. They are led by the devil to convert or kill EVERYONE. Any fool that thinks they will negotiate (like streisand, sean penn, gere, moore and hundreds of other leftist, communist traitors) are our enemy. The Bible talks in Rev 6v9 & 20v4 about those beheaded for their stance for Christ. What do the muslims do? Behead people for their stance for Christ and their refusal to acknowledge the devil. Have any of them stopped a beheading to negotiate? I truly wish that we had a real leader in the white house. This war would have been over quickly & victoriously. I hope you all are ready to start wearing turbans IF the dem's get in office.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Vatican: Naive in Seeking Peace w/Muslims

(Excerpt from Article) Saturday, September 29, 2007

Muslims urged to work for peace
Vatican message yearns for an end to religious conflict
Associated Press - by Nicole Winfield

Jesus said:

"Blessed are the peace-makers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9 link HERE.

and righteousness comes out of peace-makers, James 3:18 link HERE.

So the Vatican is not nieve by seeking peace with the Muslims,

the Vatican is finally doing the right thing and the USA could learn from that right example.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

We should have peace with muslims. In fact, we should blow them to pieces all over the planet.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Well Mr JPC half of the hollywood Dems went over there as traitors and they can't bring peace. Why don't you go over there and try? You people are soooo blind! Wake up to the truth. THEY DON'T WANT TO LOVE US THEY WANT TO CONVERT OR KILL US!!!!!!!!! If they read this forum, you will surely get their votes. GOD SAVE US FROM THESE DEM'S, The enemy within!

 

[Starman3000m]

Jesus said:

"Blessed are the peace-makers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:9 link HERE.

and righteousness comes out of peace-makers, James 3:18 link HERE.

So the Vatican is not nieve by seeking peace with the Muslims,

the Vatican is finally doing the right thing and the USA could learn from that right example.

C'mon JPC sr, I suppose you also believe that sheep can live peacefully with wolves? If you really cared about people in the Muslim faith, you would want to share the faith and teachings of the Biblical (New Testament) Jesus so that they would know True Peace in their lives - the kind only Christ can give.

Here are some things to consider:

1.) Muslims regard their prophet, Muhammad, with great reverence and his teachings in higher authority over any papal decree.

2.) Muslims do not accept the Biblical teaching that Jesus Christ is The Son of God and Saviour of mankind. Nor do Muslims believe the account that Jesus was crucified at all.

3.) Islam does not believe in the same God of Judeo-Christian faiths.

4.) Islam's concept of "peace" is when all societies submit to their god, Al'lah and accept Muhammad as the last and final prophet whose authority exceeds all others including Jesus - according to Muhammad.

5.) Muslims did it before and they plan to do it again - dominate societies through terror and subjection to the Islamic ideology.

6.) Such was the reason for the Crusades after the Vatican realized then that one cannot make peace with Islam which opposes Christian ideologies.

7.) Even though Jesus said for us to Love our enemies, He also warned that Good cannot make peace with Evil as in the following parable:

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;The enemy that sowed them is the devil;the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

(Matthew 13:38-43)

 

[libby]

Hey guys,
A recent thread was condemning the Catholic Church for fighting with swords and soldiers in the Crusades. Who was the RCC fighting against? Peace loving Christians? I don't think so.
Now you are upset that the Vatican is taking the opposite approach against the radical Muslims? (oh, and I happen to agree with you; that Muslims do not want peace, they want us all to deny Jesus Christ and embrace Muhammed)
Just curious, though. What would you like to see/hear the Vatican say? And please, don't say "nothing, the pope is no one in my opinion", because he clearly affects or offends you with everything he does. Humor me.
Lastly, would you please tell me what the Bible says about handling aggressive heretics who want to destroy Christianity?

 

[Starman3000m]

Hey guys,
A recent thread was condemning the Catholic Church for fighting with swords and soldiers in the Crusades. Who was the RCC fighting against? Peace loving Christians? I don't think so.

They may have to do it again but also remember the papal go-ahead for the Spanish Inquisition where Protestants, Evangelical Christians and Jews as well as Muslims were slaughtered for not accepting Roman Catholicism?

Now you are upset that the Vatican is taking the opposite approach against the radical Muslims? (oh, and I happen to agree with you; that Muslims do not want peace, they want us all to deny Jesus Christ and embrace Muhammed)

Not upset, libby, just stating that it is "Naive" for the Vatican to believe that Muslims can be brought to a "peaceful" stature - knowing the previous history and agenda of the Islamic ideology. It is naive even for our own government to believe that we can negotiate with Islamic terrorists when their intent is to be willing to kill and die for Al'lah until Islam dominates the world.

Just curious, though. What would you like to see/hear the Vatican say? And please, don't say "nothing, the pope is no one in my opinion", because he clearly affects or offends you with everything he does. Humor me.

The Vatican should try to convert Muslims to the faith in the New Testament Jesus Christ and not pretend that Muslims worship the same "God" as has been stated in the past. This may ruffle Islamic feathers though but if the Vatican is so sure that it is the only Church that guarantees Salvation it should make that known to the Islamic world - instead of appeasing them with an "weak and ineffective olive branch" toward a peace that can never be made between an ideological enemy of the New Testament Jesus Christ.

Lastly, would you please tell me what the Bible says about handling aggressive heretics who want to destroy Christianity?

Muslims must be handled the same as Jesus handled aggressive heretics in His day - Verbally and with the Truth of God.

[Jesus]answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. (Mark 7:6-9)

As far as physical aggression, God allowed mankind to establish laws for rule and order of civility. A person has the right to protect their lives from an aggressor who seeks to harm them and their family. A governnment has the right to protect its citizenry when a tyrannical ideology seeks to exterminate their existence and replace their society with an oppressive rule over people.
Did not God assist His people when fighting against ideologies that did not worship Him?

 

[Starman3000m]

It's Late. Good night folks.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Well Mr JPC half of the hollywood Dems went over there as traitors and they can't bring peace. Why don't you go over there and try? You people are soooo blind! Wake up to the truth. THEY DON'T WANT TO LOVE US THEY WANT TO CONVERT OR KILL US!!!!!!!!! If they read this forum, you will surely get their votes. GOD SAVE US FROM THESE DEM'S, The enemy within!

The "Hollywood Democrats" have no power to make peace so long as the war monger Republican remains the US President.

Trying to blame having no-peace on the Democrats when the Republican war monger administration is in power is impossible to be true.

And the Muslims have full right to fight back and to attack against the Christian and Americans violent aggressions,
link HERE.

 

[hvp05]

Trying to blame having no-peace on the Democrats when the Republican war monger administration is in power is impossible to be true.

Okay, so we should put those spineless Libs in complete control - between Congress and the WH - and watch how much more they can screw us?

 

[Starman3000m]

The "Hollywood Democrats" have no power to make peace so long as the war monger Republican remains the US President.

Trying to blame having no-peace on the Democrats when the Republican war monger administration is in power is impossible to be true.

And the Muslims have full right to fight back and to attack against the Christian and Americans violent aggressions,
link HERE.

JPC sr, the only reason you are able to voice your anti-government/anti-Christian rhetoric is because you are protected by the Constitutional Rights of Free Speech. Muslims living in Islamic countries do not have the same rights as you enjoy here in America. If you really cared about the people living in Islamic controlled countries you would be all for liberating them and giving them the opportunity to be able to think for themselves and to have Freedom of Speech; Freedom of Religion; Freedom of the Press; and Freedom to vote for a democratic ruled government that is open to all. Instead, Muslims live in a tyrannical theocratic controlled environment that threatens every Muslim with death if they should choose to accept God's Plan of Salvation through Jesus Christ.

Additionally, Muslims are totally brainwashed through mandated sessions of prayer to Al'lah who commands the "righteous Muslim" to engage in Jihad against Jews, Christians and all other non-Muslims through until this world is brought under the control of Islam. Muslim terrorists are indoctrinated to believe that the only guarantee they have to achieve the Islamic paradise and please Al'lah is to strap on a bomb and kill innocent men, women and children for the cause of Islam. The Islamic end justifies the means which includes terrorism in any form against any and all free societies. This command includes use of the "sword" to subdue all people on this planet through forced conversions and beheadings of those who do not convert. And now that the Islamic world is developing nuclear weapons, that too will be a method of striking terror.

Wake up, JPC sr, if you are not for Freedom and Democracy you are against Freedom and Democracy.

Do you honestly care about the people living under Islamic control? Would you be willing to give up your American Freedoms and live as they do in an Islamic country ruled by Shari'a Law and governed by the ideology of Islam that calls for the extermination of the Jews, persecution and killing of Christians and all other non-Muslims?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

JPC sr, the only reason you are able to voice your anti-government/anti-Christian rhetoric is because you are protected by the Constitutional Rights of Free Speech.

I am not really against gov or against Christianity,

but I am against unjust and oppressive gov, and I say Orthodox Christianity keeps those out of doing any real harm and I like that.

And that Starman is posting as if he were giving me my Constitutional rights,

while those same rights allow him to post his barbaric and his imperialistic dreams.

Wake up, JPC sr, if you are not for Freedom and Democracy you are against Freedom and Democracy.

Do you honestly care about the people living under Islamic control?

The Muslims like their Islamic Countries and that is their act of freedom and their form of Democracy.

It is the USA that is trying to force our form of freedom of debauchery and our American form of Democracy that they do not want.

If any of the other Countries had a majority that wanted to change their own Country's gov or their society or their whatever then they would do it themselves.

The USA is not the big daddy of the world and it needs to stop trying to be.

 

[Starman3000m]

If any of the other Countries had a majority that wanted to change their own Country's gov or their society or their whatever then they would do it themselves.

Maybe you forgot something, JPC sr:
Citizens living in oppressed, tyrannical countries who wish to have the freedoms that you enjoy do not live long enough to be able to form a majority bloc of voters. Any protests they do in public turn deadly and those who survive are imprisoned for the uprising.

You are still in my prayers.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Maybe you forgot something, JPC sr:
Citizens living in oppressed, tyrannical countries who wish to have the freedoms that you enjoy do not live long enough to be able to form a majority bloc of voters. Any protests they do in public turn deadly and those who survive are imprisoned for the uprising.

You are still in my prayers.

But you do not give a link or any specific examples and it is because the propaganda will not stand here on a Board where I (or anyone) can point out the discrepancies.

But as to your so-called freedoms and as for dead protesters then I have a vivid example of massacre.

The Branch Davidians of Waco Texas, link HERE.

We in the USA need to clean up our own gov first before telling other Countries that do not want our hypocrasies.

 

[This_person]

I am not really against gov or against Christianity, (just everything both stand for)....

The Muslims like their Islamic Countries and that is their act of freedom and their form of Democracy.

You like to link things, please link the definition of Democracy and how oppression fits that definition.

Also, what about non-Muslims in those countries, why don't they have a voice? Or, non-Muslims here - why do you think a bin Laden type should be able to give ME orders on how to express MY religion, as you've said in the past?

It is the USA that is trying to force our form of freedom of debauchery and our American form of Democracy that they do not want.

In your infinite linking ability, can you show me the link to the un-biased study that proves your claim here?

If any of the other Countries had a majority that wanted to change their own Country's gov or their society or their whatever then they would do it themselves.

The USA is not the big daddy of the world and it needs to stop trying to be.

When they stop blowing up our ships, embassies, buildings, etc., I suspect we'll leave them alone.

 

[czygvtwkr]

:

If any of the other Countries had a majority that wanted to change their own Country's gov or their society or their whatever then they would do it themselves.

:

You do realize that the majority of the people in this country support the child support laws don't you? Something you think is unjust is supported by the majority.......

Cough cough hipocrit

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

You do realize that the majority of the people in this country support the child support laws don't you? Something you think is unjust is supported by the majority.......

Cough cough hipocrit

Well majority rule means minority get screwed.

Democracy has the negative characteristic of a lynch mob mentality taking control.

The unjust child support is only a new injustice put onto innocent citizens - parents this time.

There are few things in this world more ugly then the self righteous being in the majority.

I say that when the ignorance of child support becomes fully exposed link HERE then history will put child support in the ugly catagory with the Salem witch trials where then their self righteous attacked their neighbors in a similar ignorant mentality.

History will give the thieving child support its place as a crime against humanity.

 

[This_person]

Well majority rule means minority get screwed.

Democracy has the negative characteristic of a lynch mob mentality taking control.

So, I'll ask you again (and, I suspect, be ignored again), what about the non-Muslims in those "Muslim" countries that you said are liking their form of government? Aren't they being "screwed", as you suggest above? Especially since the laws for being non-Muslim include "change your religion or die"?

I'd say that's a bit more screwed than neglecting your child, wouldn't you?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

what about the non-Muslims in those "Muslim" countries that you said are liking their form of government?

I said the majority rule over the minority and that is what happens in every Country whether it is Democracy or not.

There are some claims that a minority can rule over a majority by force and violence but that claim has many flaws.

Aren't they being "screwed", as you suggest above?

The minority are only being "screwed" when they try to exert power against the majority.

If the minority is accepting and peaceful and content then there is no screwing.

It is not an all or nothing concept as there is much middle ground.

Especially since the laws for being non-Muslim include "change your religion or die"?

That is American fear based in untrue propaganda because Muslims respect other religions.

It is the infidels that commit infidelities that all us truely religiously moral people object too and not just Muslims.

In fact history shows that for some 700 years prior to World War I, that Jerusalem and all the Holy Lands of the Bible were ruled by Muslims and particularly the Muslim Ottoman Empire and under the Shari law both the Christians and Jews lived in the land peacefully under the full protection and security of the Muslim Empire, link HERE and religious tolerance link HERE.

It is thereafter the Christians and the Jews that use violence and show an intolerance of the Muslims.

That is in history and not from the twisted propaganda.

I'd say that's a bit more screwed than neglecting your child, wouldn't you?

I do not approve of neglecting or abusing a child and I never would approve of such things.

What I do object to is the unjust thieving child support system.