Vatican: Naive in Seeking Peace w/Muslims

[This_person]

I said the majority rule over the minority and that is what happens in every Country whether it is Democracy or not.

The minority are only being "screwed" when they try to exert power against the majority.

If the minority is accepting and peaceful and content then there is no screwing.

So, when it comes to child support, you screw yourself by not being peaceful and accepting and content that the majority rule is that a non-custodial parent should provide support to their child.

If you try and "exert power" against the majority rule, you are screwing yourself. If you are accepting and peaceful and content, then you are not going to get screwed.

Hmmm, sounds a lot like that personal responsibility I've been trying to teach you. You choose your fate.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

So,

I stand by all that I posted as my words are correct and my words are true.

 

[aps45819]

But as to your so-called freedoms and as for dead protesters then I have a vivid example of massacre.
The Branch Davidians of Waco Texas, link HERE.

I stand by all that I posted as my words are correct and my words are true.

Do you realize that your referenced mass murder was carried out by a Clinton appointee? WHo have the Republicans murdered?

 

[This_person]

I stand by all that I posted as my words are correct and my words are true.

That's great and all, but do you realize that you were saying what I pointed out to you?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Do you realize that your referenced mass murder was carried out by a Clinton appointee?

Yes, of corse I know it was under Clinton and that horrible woman as the Attorney General.

Now the entire USA lives under that same threat.

It is like having 100 prisoners or subordinates or citizens,

then only one needs to get executed (as Branch Davidians) and everyone else gets the message - loud and clear.

The USA population now lives under that unjust threat demonstrated in Waco Texas.

WHo have the Republicans murdered?

That is a funny question, like not including Reagan or Bush 42, but just the present Republican we have the invation of Aphganistan that did nothing to us, and the war based on deception in Iraq and the now threats to Korea and to Iran and other Countries that see the USA violent actions.

It is that the USA is doing wrong and not just the Bush administration.

When I get elected to the US Congress then there will be a blessed improvement.

 

[This_person]

I have found that all parents / all moms and all dads want the best for their child but the custodial is putting the gov in the picture and the gov will screw that family as it does the poor and working class families.

I said the majority rule over the minority and that is what happens in every Country whether it is Democracy or not.

The minority are only being "screwed" when they try to exert power against the majority. If the minority is accepting and peaceful and content then there is no screwing.

Ahhhhh.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Ahhhhh.

Even though T_p does not actually say anything in this post above,

I am responding to his unspoken claim.

The separated parents are not accepting nor content and some are not peaceful where it comes to the unjust child support.

The statistics say that about half of the child support is collected link HERE and the other half only pay by threats and brute force.

So the USA is forcing its immoral laws onto the parents and breaking up families.

 

[Radiant1]

(Excerpt from Article) Saturday, September 29, 2007

Muslims urged to work for peace
Vatican message yearns for an end to religious conflict
Associated Press - by Nicole Winfield

"VATICAN CITY - The Vatican on Friday urged Muslims to reject violence, work with Christians for peace, and to love and respect all people and not become "cultural or religious blocs opposed to one another."'

Sorry, but

Again, the RCC's problem is blindness.

Wow. You two can find fault even with a plea for peace, amazing.

Here's a link to the full article that Starman failed to provide.

Just because the Vatican wishes/desires/calls for peace doesn't mean the Vatican is rolling over playing dead when it comes to Islamicism. If you want details ask and I'll be happy to provide them to you.

 

[Starman3000m]

Wow. You two can find fault even with a plea for peace, amazing.

Here's a link to the full article that Starman failed to provide.

Just because the Vatican wishes/desires/calls for peace doesn't mean the Vatican is rolling over playing dead when it comes to Islamicism. If you want details ask and I'll be happy to provide them to you.

C'mon Radiant1, the essence of this thread continues to be the very fact that the Vatican is still being "Naive" in believing that Islam can be at peace with the Jewish and Christian faiths as well as all other non-Muslims.

Can a sheep offer a gesture of peace to a wolf and expect the wolf to honor the peace offering? That is the analogy of what is going on.

Even the Holy Bible warns about these "peace gestures" that will be made at the end of days, so, please my friend do not accuse me of finding fault in something that has already been prophesied and which is coming to pass:

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
(1 Thessalonians 5:1-3)

Fact: There cannot be True Peace on Earth until the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ, returns to establish the Millennial Kingdom of God ruling from Jerusalem.

The only peace that mankind can establish at this time is the pseudo-peace pact that will be made just prior to the appearance of antichrist and the false prophet. This is the period when there will be the establishment of a One World Government and One World Religion upon this earth. That event needs to happen before the Second Advent of Christ and that is exactly where this world is headed right now. Please re-read the scripture cited above and listen to the news reports of political leaders and religious leaders calling for "peace and safety" in this world. Will they really be able to bring about "peace" among all mankind? No. It has already been prophesied that there will be cries for "peace and safety" but that peace will be brought about through deception and only be short lived before the world is engulfed in a major tribulation period:

Continuation of Thessalonians, Chapter 5:
(To those who are presently Children of God through faith in Jesus Christ)

4: But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5: Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6: Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7: For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8: But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9: For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10: Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11: Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
12: And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13: And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

God does not send people to Hell; People choose Not To Go To Heaven, through the only way possible and Muslims, as well as many in other religions Do Not Accept God's Plan of Salvation.

Jesus said: "I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:6)

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

C'mon Radiant1, the essence of this thread continues to be the very fact that the Vatican is still being "Naive" in believing that Islam can be at peace with the Jewish and Christian faiths as well as all other non-Muslims.

That "Starman" just does not understand what real Christianity is all about.

"Radiant" and the Vatican are saying to do as Christ = Christianity, and make peace.

It does not require that the other side or if the Muslims do it because it is up to us to do it first.

One can not refuse peaceful ways and demand more violence and call that Christian because it is not.

 

[Starman3000m]

That "Starman" just does not understand what real Christianity is all about.

"Radiant" and the Vatican are saying to do as Christ = Christianity, and make peace.

It does not require that the other side or if the Muslims do it because it is up to us to do it first.

One can not refuse peaceful ways and demand more violence and call that Christian because it is not.

On the contrary, JPC sr still just does not understand what "real Islam" is all about.

Yes, Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the Children of God" BUT He also warned that His followers would be beheaded and persecuted because of having faith in Him as being the Son of God and Saviour of mankind. Muslims do not accept the New Testament Jesus and are taught to subject the entire world to worship the Islamic god, Al'lah and to accept Muhammad as a greater "prophet" than Jesus.

The only peace gestures that the Vatican should be making to Muslims is to turn to the New Testament Jesus for True Peace and follow His ways instead of the ways of Muhammad. At that point the Vatican will then be doing what Jesus asked; making disciples/believers in Christ.

Until that happens, the Vatican is naive to believe that peace is possible with an enemy of the New Testament Jesus unless they convert to follow Him.

 

[brendar buhl]

On the contrary, JPC sr still just does not understand what "real Islam" is all about...

Seems like you are defining the terms of your "Christianity" through the lens of radical Islamic behavior.

You say that "the Vatican is naive to believe that peace is possible" but Christianity says to forgive seventy times seven. God gives me the freedom to choose right from wrong and He knows that I am going to choose wrong yet He continues to redeem me. As far as it depends on you live at peace with everyone. Sound familiar?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Yes, Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the Children of God" BUT He also warned that His followers would be beheaded and persecuted because of having faith in Him as being the Son of God and Saviour of mankind.

The warning from Christ of persecutions was not meant to turn Christians into beligerants that strike first or last.

The Christian is not to be afraid of persecutions - we must be afraid of us doing wrong.

To be persecuted for "Christ" is the biggest challenge and we must take up our cross to be a Christian.

Blessed are the peacemakers because then the Christian might keep their life.

 

[Starman3000m]

Seems like you are defining the terms of your "Christianity" through the lens of radical Islamic behavior.

You say that "the Vatican is naive to believe that peace is possible" but Christianity says to forgive seventy times seven. God gives me the freedom to choose right from wrong and He knows that I am going to choose wrong yet He continues to redeem me. As far as it depends on you live at peace with everyone. Sound familiar?

Hi brendar,

Actually, I am defining "awareness" of whom we are dealing with. Yes, forgiveness is what is asked of us, but God also gives us some common sense, brendar, to be aware of a clear and present danger. With the logic you present, then our president and the Vatican as well as leaders of all free societies should be broadcasting "forgiveness" to all the Muslim terrorists each time they kill in the name of their god, Al'lah, and continue to allow them to threaten the freedoms you and your family enjoys.

Know thy enemy:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (1 John 2:18)

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)

And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:3)

For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
(2 John 1:7)

 

[Starman3000m]

The warning from Christ of persecutions was not meant to turn Christians into beligerants that strike first or last.

The Christian is not to be afraid of persecutions - we must be afraid of us doing wrong.

To be persecuted for "Christ" is the biggest challenge and we must take up our cross to be a Christian.

Blessed are the peacemakers because then the Christian might keep their life.

That is sure a turn-about from what you have stated before, JPC sr, where you have actually glorified Osama bin Laden and basically stated that America is getting what it deserves through Islamic terror attacks against us.

You, in fact, believe that Islam is a "sister religion" which it is definitely not since they do not believe in the same God as the Judeo-Christian faiths.

Yahweh NEVER commanded His angels to bow down prostrate to Adam.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (002.034) (007.011) (015.028 - .030)

Yahweh NEVER authorized mankind to honor and kiss a stone. (Ka'ba)
Muhammad Did and Muslims still do to this day as a prescribed ritual during their pilgrimage (hajj) to Mecca.
(Sunan Muslim, Book 007, Number 2912 - 2916)
(Malik’s Muwatta: Book 20, Number 20.34.116)
(Qur’an: 022.027-.030)

Yahweh NEVER authorized men to beat their wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (004.032)

Yahweh NEVER authorized His prophets to have multiple wives- as many as the prophet desired, nor did Yahweh authorize men to have up to four wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (033.050) (004.003)

Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)

Yahweh NEVER said the women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)

If Muhammad is a prophet of Al'lah, Muhammad definitely cannot be a prophet of Yahweh.

Conclusion: Al'lah Is Not Yahweh and when Islamic theology says they are the same, (Qur'an 029.046) it is another lie that has been permitted by Islamic theology in order to deceive unsuspecting/uninformed non-Muslims; Christians and Jews.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...
Democracy has the negative characteristic of a lynch mob mentality taking control....

That is why the United States is not a democracy but is a republic.

And even in a republic, the government insists that parents support their children.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I stand by all that I posted as my words are correct and my words are true.

Except where they are lies and uninformed ... which is most of the time.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...
- we must be afraid of us doing wrong....

You mean like not loving you child by supporting him?

 

[ItalianScallion]

Wow. You two can find fault even with a plea for peace, amazing.
Just because the Vatican wishes/desires/calls for peace doesn't mean the Vatican is rolling over playing dead when it comes to Islamicism.

See what I mean? This post say that "the vatican is naive in seeking peace with the muslims". EVERYBODY here wants peace, but the vatican is still living in the stone age if they think we can NEGOTIATE with muslims. They'll stop fighting when the whole world converts to islam. Is that going to happen? NO. So the RCC is NAIVE in this respect. GEEEZZZ!

 

[2ndAmendment]

1 Corinthians 1:10-13

10Now I exhort you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all agree and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be made complete in the same mind and in the same judgment.

11For I have been informed concerning you, my brethren, by Chloe's people, that there are quarrels among you.

12Now I mean this, that each one of you is saying, "I am of Paul," and "I of Apollos," and "I of Cephas," and "I of Christ."

13Has Christ been divided? Paul was not crucified for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?

Nothing changed except the names. Instead of Cephas, Paul, Apollos, it is Roman Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal. Wake up! Scripture says this bickering is wrong.