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justhangn
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So ST, what happens if you listen to Christian rock, do you want to crucify someone?? 
SmallTown
Football season!
I said 2LC was miami style rap, not gangsta rap.
As for the "old school" gangsta rap, you of course had NWA and then it's members when they went solo - Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, and Eazy-E were the most popular and influential of the group. Then you had guys like Too Short and maybe to a lesser extent Slick Rick (he had a mixture of music, guess he changed every time he went to jail
) Geto Boys were also pretty big back then. Above The Law was another. The initial emergence of Dr. Dre and Snoop with the Chronic record had the gangsta mentality, but they definately didn't blanket all their music with that.And of course we can't forget Ice-T's group playing "Cop Killer".
I guess you could throw NAS into the bunch. Wu-Tang Clan is sometimes put into the mold, but again they have such a wide variety of styles I'm not sure I could lump them all as a whole into the category, though some of their songs are pretty edgy. Same goes for the best (IMHO) solo rapper of the group, Method Man.
Tupac was also a mixture. He had some real fun songs, but also the gangsta lyrics as well.
Also you could throw The Lox into the group, though I haven't listened to a large portion of their music so I don't know if there whole mentality is gangsta.
SmallTown
Football season!
Originally posted by pixiegirl
You just contradicted yourself!
I'm not talking explict lyrics as far as language I'm talking about context.
If you had heard those songs, you would know I accidentally left out the rolling eyes smiley. And the point you made was the one I was trying to make, it isn't the language, it is the message. People hear F this or whatever, and immediately label it as gangsta rap, which isn't true at all.
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
You're right; explict lyrics don't make it gangsta rap but you're a moron if you think that today's gangsta rap doesn't influence kids. This argument isn't about what gangsta rap is but if it influences young people or not. It does. It also has a lot to do with upbringing and environment but you can't (well you can cause you're special
) deny there is some influence there. I'm not saying we should ban gangsta rap by any means. I think we need to start making people especially young people responsible for their actions but that's a different topic all together.
SmallTown
Football season!
Originally posted by pixiegirl
You're right; explict lyrics don't make it gangsta rap but you're a moron if you think that today's gangsta rap doesn't influence kids. This argument isn't about what gangsta rap is but if it influences young people or not. It does. It also has a lot to do with upbringing and environment but you can't (well you can cause you're special
No, I feel it can have an impact on kids. Which is where I feel the parental guidance is strongly needed.
I knew this guy when I was high school. His mom would always be on my case for the music I listened to, the clothes I wore, etc. While her son, the angel, always dressed like "the normal white kid", wasn't allowed to listen to rap and they even banned Beavis And Butthead from the house. Bascically, his mom figured if she just banned everything from him, it would be less work for her. Little did she know that the "bad boy" would go to college, get a good job, pay his way through life, while her "good son" is still leaching off them.
Life Imitates Art - and Vice Versa
The link to the article is dead - or at least, when I try to link to the article, I get an error message from CNN.com saything that the page is no longer there.
Regardless, I still have some thoughts on this issue of the influence of violent music.
Correlation does not equal causality - meaning that while a relationship between music and violent throughts may exist, it doesn't prove that the violent thoughts were caused by the music. Just as likely, the violent thoughts lead the listener to seek out the violent music.
I have to wonder, "If violent music (or art in general) necessarilly leads to violent behavior, why haven't we all killed ourselves off by now?" We've had violent art ever since we've had art..."The Iilliad" and "The Odyssey" are vertible bloodbaths what with killings, skinnings, decapitations, etc. The Old Testament is literally filled with stories of outright human butchery as tribe exterminates tribe. Shakespeare's tragedies were brutal, gory, and graphic - I mean, "Titus Andronicus" is about a a man who has his hand chopped off; his daughter is raped, her hands chopped off, and her tongue cut out, and to get revenge; Titus takes the rapist, dismembers him, and serves the rapist to his mother at a banquet as the main dish! Yet, there was not spate of cannibal killings in 1590's London! We even have that classic rock anthem, "Hey Joe," where a guy shoots his woman and moves to Mexico - the guy is never brought to justice! "Hey Joe," "Henry Lee," or any number of other murder ballads, or Gangsta Rap, just reflect a fact of human society...people kill people.
Instead of blaming the music that reflects the facts of life, we should focus our efforts on why people kill people, why someone would be so filled with rage and hate that killing someone actually sounds like a good idea.
Finally - poor kids growing up in the city do not all have crack-addicted moms and drug-dealing dads who didn't teach'em right from wrong. But when you grow up with no money, no decent education, no opportunities, and no hope - you can have the best parents in the world, and the "Thug Life" is still going to look a damn sight better than pulling down $5.25 an hour at McDonald's. We're talking about symptoms and ignoring the disease.
The link to the article is dead - or at least, when I try to link to the article, I get an error message from CNN.com saything that the page is no longer there.
Regardless, I still have some thoughts on this issue of the influence of violent music.
Correlation does not equal causality - meaning that while a relationship between music and violent throughts may exist, it doesn't prove that the violent thoughts were caused by the music. Just as likely, the violent thoughts lead the listener to seek out the violent music.
I have to wonder, "If violent music (or art in general) necessarilly leads to violent behavior, why haven't we all killed ourselves off by now?" We've had violent art ever since we've had art..."The Iilliad" and "The Odyssey" are vertible bloodbaths what with killings, skinnings, decapitations, etc. The Old Testament is literally filled with stories of outright human butchery as tribe exterminates tribe. Shakespeare's tragedies were brutal, gory, and graphic - I mean, "Titus Andronicus" is about a a man who has his hand chopped off; his daughter is raped, her hands chopped off, and her tongue cut out, and to get revenge; Titus takes the rapist, dismembers him, and serves the rapist to his mother at a banquet as the main dish! Yet, there was not spate of cannibal killings in 1590's London! We even have that classic rock anthem, "Hey Joe," where a guy shoots his woman and moves to Mexico - the guy is never brought to justice! "Hey Joe," "Henry Lee," or any number of other murder ballads, or Gangsta Rap, just reflect a fact of human society...people kill people.
Instead of blaming the music that reflects the facts of life, we should focus our efforts on why people kill people, why someone would be so filled with rage and hate that killing someone actually sounds like a good idea.
Finally - poor kids growing up in the city do not all have crack-addicted moms and drug-dealing dads who didn't teach'em right from wrong. But when you grow up with no money, no decent education, no opportunities, and no hope - you can have the best parents in the world, and the "Thug Life" is still going to look a damn sight better than pulling down $5.25 an hour at McDonald's. We're talking about symptoms and ignoring the disease.
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Kain99
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Dude! or Dudette! Whichever the cae may be, the thread is almost a year old. The link is most certainly dead.
Honestly there is no argument that violent music makes the heart pound faster. Its a fact. If ya doubt me spin a few vinyls from back when old Mr. Como was around and then put in a little Limp Biscuit.
It's a no brainer.
Honestly there is no argument that violent music makes the heart pound faster. Its a fact. If ya doubt me spin a few vinyls from back when old Mr. Como was around and then put in a little Limp Biscuit.
It's a no brainer.
year-old, whatever
>If ya doubt me spin a few vinyls from back when old Mr. Como
>was around and then put in a little Limp Biscuit.
Well - Limp Biscuit just makes me laugh - a bunch a middle-class, white boys whining about how mean the girls are to them. Perry Como makes me laugh too because the guy's a cartoon version of himself. Besides - the (year-old, apparently) debate wasn't over a faster heartbeat, but pulling outa 9mm and wasting some sad mofo *because* of listening to music.
-Annaeus (dude
>If ya doubt me spin a few vinyls from back when old Mr. Como
>was around and then put in a little Limp Biscuit.
Well - Limp Biscuit just makes me laugh - a bunch a middle-class, white boys whining about how mean the girls are to them. Perry Como makes me laugh too because the guy's a cartoon version of himself. Besides - the (year-old, apparently) debate wasn't over a faster heartbeat, but pulling outa 9mm and wasting some sad mofo *because* of listening to music.
-Annaeus (dude
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darkriver4362
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I hear ha hello.
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darkriver4362
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lol how about p.o.d?
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darkriver4362
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They are pretty weird, started out christianing too.