Wanting to make Tri-County Animal Shelter a "NO KILL" Shelter

[mygoldnhorse]

How does a breeder know that the pups they sell are actually fixed when they get old enough...

I think the limited registration clause is what TC is saying she uses to ensure the purchasers will spay/neuter the pups. I know that this still does not guarantee that someone will follow through with the contract, but I do feel that TC is doing over and above what is required and showing responcible breeding.

 

[kwillia]

Some breeders require proof the animal has been altered. A vet bill would suffice their request.

I'm curious as to how many breeders actually "follow through" to ensure the pup had been altered. I would think it would be a big legal expense to try to get back pups that don't get altered.

 

[kwillia]

Most breeders i've dealt with either :

have limited put on the paperwork, this means if you breed your dog and its registered as limited then the pups wont be "papered" (worth less money)

or they have a clause stating you will get your AKC paperwork when you have proof the pup is fixed.

since you are entering a legal contract to have your animal altered, yes there is an expense to enforce it, but i would think you can sue to have your legal expenses covered also

Gotcha... thanks.

 

[SoftballCrazy]

Some breeders do have "clauses" that state the above.

I have to agree with Nucklesack I am a breeder of AkC Shih Tzu pups I know were all my pups are ( AkC requires you to keep records) and in my contract it states I will take the pup or dog back if the owner can not keep the dog or pup .. I also state that I have to be notified if they want to give or sell the pup or dog to another party .. Just the other day I received a call from a women who bought 2 of my pups in Californa She had a situation in her home and could not keep them and wanted to give them to her friend and ASKED me if it was alright because of what was stated in my contract .. Now I know not everyone would or will do this but it is in my contract .. Also my pups are with limited registration ( to be neutered or spayed) ....Most of my pups are sold by word of mouth and at times I will get cards, letters or e-mails from my clients...I also have a client that has bought 5 of my pups over the years and they are all FIXED..

If you do follow everything you wrote, then you are one of the responsible breeders that was not being referred to in the post.

 

[SoftballCrazy]

That was the point to the Mental Midget, she/he was covering all breeders with the Puppy Mill blanket.

Oh, gotcha...I think there are enormous differences btwn puppy mills, back yard breeders and reputable breeders...I just heard by word of mouth that CA state passed a law that a dog can not be chained for more than 3 hours at a time...haven't seen anything in writing.

 

[Chasey_Lane]

I'm curious as to how many breeders actually "follow through" to ensure the pup had been altered. I would think it would be a big legal expense to try to get back pups that don't get altered.

The breeder with whom we purchased Taco has yet to "follow through" with her contract agreement. Then again, we haven't taken his boys away...yet.

 

[TotalControl]

Some breeders require proof the animal has been altered. A vet bill would suffice their request.

I sell my pups with the contract that says they agree to fix the pups plus I also (because they are fixing the pups ) have limited registration marked on the papers .. my clients don't care because they intend to fix them anyway.. I always ask every potential client why they want one of my pups .. I had one women have a puppy shower for her pup and bought her everything in pink .. People that buy my dogs want pups to spoil and a good lap dog to love and dress up . Sometimes they can get pretty overboard but at least I know the pups are being taken care of.. Plus I get to know them and see them with their pups for about 3 or 4 weeks even before they take the pup home . They put a deposit on the pup then come and visit and play with it before it can go home....

 

[TotalControl]

thanks mygoldenhorse I do what I think is right.. I bring these pups in this world )sometimes I deliver them myself ) and it is my responsibility to make sure they are taken care of they are my babies tooo

 

[mygoldnhorse]

It sounds to me from what I have been reading that Breeders are becoming more responcible and doing the Limited Registration. This will insure that hopefully someday we will not have to worry about having threads like this. But I do not agree with some of the people who have posted that seem to want all breeding banned. We are all different and have our own preference as to what kind of dogs we like. What I may think is a foo-foo dog my sister may think they are simply adorable. I myself prefer to buy puppies that I can raise and train to my according to my lifestyle. While many dog owners detest the puppy period. Different strokes for different folks .

 

[lillymay]

Good Luck trying to turn that place into a N0-Kill Shelter. Problem is it's Tri County, meaning St. Marys, Charles & Calvert. You would have to go to and through all 3 counties Commissioners, etc. to get anything done! From what I've heard It'll never happen. Pros & Cons.

 

[krazd_kat]

It sounds to me from what I have been reading that Breeders are becoming more responcible and doing the Limited Registration. This will insure that hopefully someday we will not have to worry about having threads like this. But I do not agree with some of the people who have posted that seem to want all breeding banned.

Do I want all breeding banned? No - But I do want the backyard breeders and the people that breed their dogs just this one time STOPPED...

Responsible breeders, who are breeding to better the breed and do the required testing to help ensure that faults and genetic diseases are not passed down to future generations have a place and they are doing what needs to be done. Unfortunately "limited" registration is not a good fix, it's a start, but it still allows unethical people looking for the quick buck to breed, and it allows people to breed that are so "sure they have homes" for all their puppies.

As long as people continue to buy their dogs and cats from pet stores or Joe Blow on the corner, the shelters and rescues will continue to fight a loosing battle.

 

[cattitude]

Do I want all breeding banned? No - But I do want the backyard breeders and the people that breed their dogs just this one time STOPPED...

Responsible breeders, who are breeding to better the breed and do the required testing to help ensure that faults and genetic diseases are not passed down to future generations have a place and they are doing what needs to be done. Unfortunately "limited" registration is not a good fix, it's a start, but it still allows unethical people looking for the quick buck to breed, and it allows people to breed that are so "sure they have homes" for all their puppies.

As long as people continue to buy their dogs and cats from pet stores or Joe Blow on the corner, the shelters and rescues will continue to fight a loosing battle.

 

[TotalControl]

Sure have changed your tune.

What happened to "2 Puppies go to a good home, what happens to the rest? they are either Starved, Neglected or Beaten"

Or, Buy buying from a breeder and not a shelter you are just encouraging more breeding?

Let alone how would you enforce "only Responsible" Breeders?

Who determines what a "Responsible" breeder is? You?

You've shown a complete lack of any kind of commendable judgement, through your posts here and your various MPD's, we're supposed to believe you can judge "Good" and or "Responsible" now?

WERE Have you gotten all your Purebreeds from ??? Were they responsible breeders....

 

[krazd_kat]

The only thing I have to say to you "sir" and I use that term loosely is you're an idiot.

Responsible breeders have homes for their puppies BEFORE they are ever even bred. All breeds have a Code of Ethics for breeders to follow - that's something I would never venture into.

As far as my judgement and my MPD's are concerned you must be looking in a mirror - I have NEVER posted on here as anyone other than you see right now. My judgement and my beliefs have never changed, and as I told you before, I put my money and my actions where my mouth is.

Where to be polite I will only say I think you are an uneducated fool that can only be nasty because he knows no better.

If you would like to meet me along with 3 other forum posters who believe in what we are saying, please meet us at Monterey for lunch on the 12th at 11:00 am, it's supposed to be a bday lunch for us, but we'd gladly share it with someone that needs a little further education.

 

[krazd_kat]

WERE Have you gotten all your Purebreeds from ??? Were they responsible breeders....

My dogs are shelter dogs, humane society dogs and an adopted Rescue dog.

At one time I did buy from a BYB, and I was damned lucky that she was the best dog temper wise, health wise was a totally different story.

I learned my lesson.

And ANYONE wanting a purebred dog can find them at the TriCounty Shelter or any other shelter in the US, WHY? because morons like the one's replying to this thread will continue to irresponsibly breed.

 

[krazd_kat]

Where did i say i breed dogs MORON?

You can also find Purebred dogs from Breeders (dont give a flying fig if You feel they are "Responsible" or not). I've purchased many and will continously do so.

You are right "sir" my mistake you obviously don't breed, but you contribute to the pet overpopulation by your continuing to support BYB's.

I'm done with you, you aren't worth arguing with.

 

[TotalControl]

I got them all from the Amish Market

I was addressing Krazd Kat

 

[TotalControl]

gottcha

 

[horsesrock93]

we got all ours from a responsible breaders that is how we got 4 ####-tuz's z

 

[Animals4Life]

Where did i say i breed dogs MORON?

Just because you've cant keep the stories you post, through your various MPD's straight, isnt a reason for you to start attributing posts that i never made.

You can also find Purebred dogs from Breeders (dont give a flying fig if You feel they are "Responsible" or not). I've purchased many and will continously do so.

I think Krazd Kat said "the one's replying to this thread" which could mean anyone so I really think you are sounding way to defensive. In all reality there are always going to be breeders and those people whom chose to only buy from breeders. I think it is great that you have been a responsible pet owner and have altered your pets regardless where they came from. I think that this is just a very sensitive issue and I know when I look at my dog I think about how lucky I am to have her and it is heartbreaking to know that there are tens of thousands just like her being euthanized every day. I really did not post this thread initially to cause hate and discontent amongst us animal lovers.....I just wanted some thoughts on trying to make a change for the better.