Clem72
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That was my point. It was ruled fine for him because he was born to US citizens. The same is true for Cruz.
What do you think about a DeSantis/Cruz ticket?
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Kinnakeet
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Wel chit I agree with this statement.
Hijinx
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Well Obama definitely changed the rules about being a Natural Born citizen.
A Kenyan Father, an American Communist Mother, no record of his birth in America exists except a fake Birth Certificate from Hawaii confirmed by a woman who was the only one to die in a plane crash.
A Kenyan Father, an American Communist Mother, no record of his birth in America exists except a fake Birth Certificate from Hawaii confirmed by a woman who was the only one to die in a plane crash.
HemiHauler
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There is no litmus test. There is only adjudication by a court, the Supreme Court. That didn't happen for McCain, nor has it happened for Cruz.
WingsOfGold
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So if he won the shiit would have contested it?
SamSpade
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My Latino friends consider it a grave insult. But it's Hemi.
In any event, I've found several news sources all confirming the same thing - yes, he is. WaPo, HuffPo, Vox - you know, those right wing sources -
all agree on the same thing - if one of your parents is an American citizen, you are one, too. It doesn't matter where you are born.
From the Harvard Law Review by two former Solicitor Generals - https://harvardlawreview.org/2015/03/on-the-meaning-of-natural-born-citizen/
There are plenty of serious issues to debate in the upcoming presidential election cycle. The less time spent dealing with specious objections to candidate eligibility, the better. Fortunately, the Constitution is refreshingly clear on these eligibility issues. To serve, an individual must be at least thirty-five years old and a “natural born Citizen.” Thirty-four and a half is not enough and, for better or worse, a naturalized citizen cannot serve. But as Congress has recognized since the Founding, a person born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent is generally a U.S. citizen from birth with no need for naturalization. And the phrase “natural born Citizen” in the Constitution encompasses all such citizens from birth. Thus, an individual born to a U.S. citizen parent — whether in California or Canada or the Canal Zone — is a U.S. citizen from birth and is fully eligible to serve as President if the people so choose.
Ted Cruz Is A 'Natural Born Citizen,' Board Of Election Finds
"Further discussion on this issue is unnecessary."
Ruling: Ted Cruz is a ‘natural born citizen’ - Washington Examiner
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz secured two major victories Monday, winning the Republican Iowa caucuses and also receiving a favorable decision from the Illinois Board of Elections, which confirmed his U.S. citizenship met the state's primary ballot requirements. The Illinois news got lost in the caucus...
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Feel free to **** off any time.
can’t get that lucky
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
I'm a gonna go with the original intent of the writing of the Constitution when it was written. "Natural born" meaning physically born and present on US soil at the time of birth. I'm not down with the re-defining and re-written meaning of the Constitution. It reads plainly to all those that can read. No further explanation is required. Because we all know that the time, when the Constitution was written, that only a natural born citizen, one without any ties to a foreign allegiance, should be president/vice president. Harvard peeps can go pound sand, since most that go to that "institution of higher learning" and those that are employed there, hold duel citizenship anyway. They could care less of the issues and damage their opinions could cause.
I'm a gonna go with the original intent of the writing of the Constitution when it was written. "Natural born" meaning physically born and present on US soil at the time of birth. I'm not down with the re-defining and re-written meaning of the Constitution. It reads plainly to all those that can read. No further explanation is required. Because we all know that the time, when the Constitution was written, that only a natural born citizen, one without any ties to a foreign allegiance, should be president/vice president. Harvard peeps can go pound sand, since most that go to that "institution of higher learning" and those that are employed there, hold duel citizenship anyway. They could care less of the issues and damage their opinions could cause.
HemiHauler
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Just when I thought you couldn’t get any dumber, there you go!
Ted Cruz Is A 'Natural Born Citizen,' Board Of Election Finds
"Further discussion on this issue is unnecessary."www.huffpost.com
Ruling: Ted Cruz is a ‘natural born citizen’ - Washington Examiner
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz secured two major victories Monday, winning the Republican Iowa caucuses and also receiving a favorable decision from the Illinois Board of Elections, which confirmed his U.S. citizenship met the state's primary ballot requirements. The Illinois news got lost in the caucus...
Feel free to **** off any time.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Their statement is not true. The primary and most fundamental step that must be taken is any person born outside of the US must apply at a US Consulate in the country they were born for a "Consular Report of Birth Abroad", or their parents.
No matter how many may wish it, it just isn't true. Just like the 2nd doesn't apply only muskets. And the 1st that doesn't only apply to "acceptable" speech.
Their statement is not true. The primary and most fundamental step that must be taken is any person born outside of the US must apply at a US Consulate in the country they were born for a "Consular Report of Birth Abroad", or their parents.
No matter how many may wish it, it just isn't true. Just like the 2nd doesn't apply only muskets. And the 1st that doesn't only apply to "acceptable" speech.
I was going to answer George but I see what your going for.
Couldnt' remember which one was born as a US citizen.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
John Tyler. First President born, 1790, after the ratification of the US Constitution making it official the United States of America.
John Tyler. First President born, 1790, after the ratification of the US Constitution making it official the United States of America.
Well you would certainly know more than all those Constitutional scholars. I'll absolutely take your word over theirs.
HemiHauler
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Please.
You give zero deference to anything Constitutional scholars — or anyone with an education for that matter says. UNLESS it serves you.
But noting you posted actually serves your position. You’re just too stupid to realize it.
Tech
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There are residency requirements on the American parent and if the father, the parents must be married.
HemiHauler
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Hey Pookie? If I were to post a gaggle of “Constitutional Scholars ” whose writings laid out the many reasons how your cult leader, Donald J. Trump AKA The Fat Guy, committed multiple felonies, would you pay it any mind?
Ted Cruz Is A 'Natural Born Citizen,' Board Of Election Finds
"Further discussion on this issue is unnecessary."
Ruling: Ted Cruz is a ‘natural born citizen’ - Washington Examiner
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz secured two major victories Monday, winning the Republican Iowa caucuses and also receiving a favorable decision from the Illinois Board of Elections, which confirmed his U.S. citizenship met the state's primary ballot requirements. The Illinois news got lost in the caucus...
Feel free to **** off any time.
Didn’t think so.
So go **** yourself, you over fed sow
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SamSpade
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Without going too far into the weeds - (I do kind of like that expression, very visual) - this has all been hashed about before, and it was widely agreed that yes, Cruz qualifies. Even liberal rags agreed. WHY? Because it was Trump who was disputing it, and they were gunning for him.
To my mind, this has long been settled. To my recollection, some court - Illinois? - said, yeah, he's good, stop getting your panties in a wad.
Frankly, I don't see Cruz getting into it again - I think he'd rather go for SCOTUS. I'm more concerned that DeSantis, if nominated, will choose someone MUCH WORSE - like a Lindsay Graham or Nikki Haley - who'd just be more of the same when it comes to the GOP.
I generally like him, which is odd, because - like Newt - I didn't, at first. His voice, for one thing. But like some Senators, he cuts to the chase and doesn't waffle on stuff, at least when it comes to issues.
