In your previous post, however, you sure seem to concur with my point - that a locked door is a strong deterrent.
You CAN steal a high value car - but you're asking for trouble if you leave it with the keys and the engine running.
What I find most interesting about the TX school shooting coverage...
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You CAN steal a high value car - but you're asking for trouble if you leave it with the keys and the engine running.
Hijinx
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How many thousands of schools are in America and this one school gets in the hands of a lunatic.
The odds are pretty good that kids are safe in schools.
IMO the problem is with our youth. Young people have lost religion, manners, politeness, and morality.
We see few kids i church any more and teachers do not demand the student say Yes Maam or No Sir any longer, Young girls use the F word as often or more often than the boys, and if they get knocked up they have an abortion and come back to school like nothing happened. Killing babies is no big deal, so killing grown ups isn't a big deal either. Drugs, plenty of them, Don't give out grades because it hurts their feelings. Discipline? What's that. Principles are afraid of parents. Colleges?? They are a joke. Too expensive mind altering liberal brain washers.
The odds are pretty good that kids are safe in schools.
IMO the problem is with our youth. Young people have lost religion, manners, politeness, and morality.
We see few kids i church any more and teachers do not demand the student say Yes Maam or No Sir any longer, Young girls use the F word as often or more often than the boys, and if they get knocked up they have an abortion and come back to school like nothing happened. Killing babies is no big deal, so killing grown ups isn't a big deal either. Drugs, plenty of them, Don't give out grades because it hurts their feelings. Discipline? What's that. Principles are afraid of parents. Colleges?? They are a joke. Too expensive mind altering liberal brain washers.
I agree. I LIKE the fact that I live and have lived in areas where you never need to even lock the door at night. Where I lived in PG County, you couldn't leave ANYTHING in your car at night, and I had my radio stolen from it TWICE and my tools once.
But this is how we live now. Bemoaning how we got here won't change that it's still true.
(I'm not saying you are - but those pointing fingers ARE doing that).
Fifty million kids in schools, and mass shootings - and I hate to keep mentioning that yes it's horrific - are still basically, rare.
And it bears repeating endlessly - a couple dozen kids shot in school is a couple weekends in Chicago. KIDS are killed all over, but the press ONLY CARES if it happens at a school.
In this case the teacher saw the kid with the gun. She went inside to call 911 and didn't close the door.
TPD
the poor dad
But the latest reporting says she did close the door but the door didn’t automatically lock.
But trying to explain that to most people is an exercise in frustration.
We want to minimize our risk. I get that. But something like this happens and all of a sudden even rational people start clamoring for fascist lockdowns and privacy infringements, instigated by politicians and the media, and looking for someone to blame. We saw it with covid. They are so predictable you can set your watch by them.
Clem72
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I'm not really worrdied about mass shootings. That's like worrying about Ebola, it happens but not enough to think about. It's the every-weekend-shootings in the big cities that are the closest aligator to the boat.
That said, this list of articles don't really say what is implied by their title. France is only comparable because of one (really bad) incident in 2015.
In that list of 50 deadliest shootings you linked France only appears 4 times, Switzerland once, and Finland not at all. Meanwhile the US is 20 of the 50.
But of course this is all horseshite given west/central africa has the whole list beat on any given year. Boko Haram might wipe out the odd village every other week (estimates around 30k people since 2009), regularly topping 100 people at a time, but I don't see Nigeria on that list.
You also have to look at our population compared to theirs, and the level of freedom we enjoy compared to them.
Clem72
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I don't have to, because I already said I think the list is bunk. But if the ONLY thing you are comparing is mass shootings, then that list doesn't support the premise of the other two linked articles. They are just cherry picking one 4 year period where the US had few and France had it's worst ever which is kind of misleading.
black dog
Free America
Secure is a hard word, to truly secure a building it needs one way in and many doors that allow one to walk out.
Like a multi floor building and one must pass the guard to gain access inside and once in the stairway to get out, you have to use the main floor exit that dumps you outside and to gain access you have to go around and enter the main door and walk by the guard again. Or you ride the elevators down and exit by the guard.
Do we really want our schools to become lockups and kids think having armed guards is a normal life here in America?
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
The problem is that nearly everyone lives with their guard down. Instead of being naturally suspicious and cautious of everyone they encounter, wherever that may be, they always give the benefit of doubt. Falsely thinking that all in society are good, and that the bad guys are always in someone else's city, town or county, when, in actuality, they are everywhere. Freedom is something that many people simply do not understand, and what is necessary to maintain it.
gemma_rae
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Their are millions of biological parents in this country but very few of them are actually parenting their children.
To be sure, if you're not relying on government hand-outs, it's nearly impossible to maintain a decent standard of life without both parents being out in the work force. That's a big problem and it needs to be addressed.
When parents can't be there for the child when they need comforting, or have difficulty coping with a stressful situation or conflict, they learn you get attention by lashing out. It's not good attention but it is attention and in a world full of strangers it's the best they can hope for.
Sure there are exceptions, but for the most part a daycare raises children until they're old enough to go to school, then the government raises them after that. Schools don't really teach children as much as try to guide them on how to learn and in the absence of that ability a child will mostly become more antisocial and willing to lash out if they don't think anyone cares. Parental involvement seems like the best solution to insure they know someone cares.
If these young shooters had an attentive and caring parent they could turn to find another way to cope I doubt there would be as many of these events, so that should be the focus. Providing more time for parent/child interaction and seeking a resolution. If school started the mess, how can anyone expect them to resolve it?
P.S. I might be a little all over the place, but hopefully you'll know what I mean.
To be sure, if you're not relying on government hand-outs, it's nearly impossible to maintain a decent standard of life without both parents being out in the work force. That's a big problem and it needs to be addressed.
When parents can't be there for the child when they need comforting, or have difficulty coping with a stressful situation or conflict, they learn you get attention by lashing out. It's not good attention but it is attention and in a world full of strangers it's the best they can hope for.
Sure there are exceptions, but for the most part a daycare raises children until they're old enough to go to school, then the government raises them after that. Schools don't really teach children as much as try to guide them on how to learn and in the absence of that ability a child will mostly become more antisocial and willing to lash out if they don't think anyone cares. Parental involvement seems like the best solution to insure they know someone cares.
If these young shooters had an attentive and caring parent they could turn to find another way to cope I doubt there would be as many of these events, so that should be the focus. Providing more time for parent/child interaction and seeking a resolution. If school started the mess, how can anyone expect them to resolve it?
P.S. I might be a little all over the place, but hopefully you'll know what I mean.
OccamsRazor
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I would agree with most of what you said however, I would not make it the gold standard.
Look at the Columbine shooters as an example. Each one of them had parents who loved them and were attentive to them. Apparent upstanding white suburban kids. We know how that all went down.
Sometimes, regardless of how kids were raised, some kids just do horrendous things.
People act like that because they're mentally ill. It's that simple. Humans killing other humans is documented in the Bible, that's how long it's been going on.