what would you do?

[mAlice]

Could be, or she could have been really ill, either way, it seems like this whole situation could have been avoided by asking permission from the teacher before calling. If a teacher refused to allow a sick child to contact a parent, there's your case in going before the School Board, if they did allow her to call, she wouldn't have been suprised to see you.

She was really 'ill'. She had fallen out of a tree the day before. You know more of my side of the story than the teachers. If you choose to take the teachers side, that's fine. I don't have a gripe with that. What I do have a gripe with is that you refuse to see the parents side of the story, which will make you no better of a teacher than the one we're discussing.

Another thing you might try to do is look at the situation from the childs point of view. If you were the student with a teacher who was overbearing and yelled at and humiliated her students, would you want to ask that teacher for anything? What would appear safer to you? Breaking the rules and making the phone call to the parent, who you know you can trust, or asking a notoriously mean and nasty teacher if you could call the one person you trust? Try not to look at it from my point of view, but from a childs point of view.

 

[meme]

I went to my child's school today, and for the 2nd time this year, I saw the same teacher belittling a small child(under age 6). Not sure what he did, but I think it had something to do with having a bathroom accident. This was in the open in front of other kids, parents, and teachers. The child was crying and rocking back in forth in a chair.
I didn't say anything because I was upset (if it was my child I would have blown my lid) and felt that it was better to think about what I should say when I was calm. Just curious what would you do. I want to again say I don't know what the kid did, but I don't think it was appropriate regardless.
btw The first time I saw the same teacher yank a child off the play ground and shove him into a chair in the office. This was earlier in the school year.

I wouldn't have cared if it were my child or not. No teacher has the right to humiliate another child like that. I would have confronted the teacher and then taken the issue directly to the Principal. I would have also have notified the schoolboard, since this wasn't the first time you noticed this teacher acting like a dingle dork. Now, if it were my child he did that to, we would have been fighting right there on the spot.

 

[remaxrealtor]

She was really 'ill'. She had fallen out of a tree the day before. You know more of my side of the story than the teachers. If you choose to take the teachers side, that's fine. I don't have a gripe with that. What I do have a gripe with is that you refuse to see the parents side of the story, which will make you no better of a teacher than the one we're discussing.

Another thing you might try to do is look at the situation from the childs point of view. If you were the student with a teacher who was overbearing and yelled at and humiliated her students, would you want to ask that teacher for anything? What would appear safer to you? Breaking the rules and making the phone call to the parent, who you know you can trust, or asking a notoriously mean and nasty teacher if you could call the one person you trust? Try not to look at it from my point of view, but from a childs point of view.

First of all, I never have any intention of being a teacher.

The fact is, you need to look at the affects on that child's future. There will be notoriously mean and nasty people in every arena they enter in their life experiences. They're going to have problems if they always do what they want. I have a very close friend who was raised exactly this way, believe me, when you see how he interacts as an adult, you quickly realize that his parents did him no favors.

 

[mAlice]

First of all, I never have any intention of being a teacher.

The fact is, you need to look at the affects on that child's future. There will be notoriously mean and nasty people in every arena they enter in their life experiences. They're going to have problems if they always do what they want. I have a very close friend who was raised exactly this way, believe me, when you see how he interacts as an adult, you quickly realize that his parents did him no favors.

You're assuming I coddle my child. You're wrong. The teacher was out of line. A child should feel safe at school, not like a victim.

She's now 18, and trust me, she has no problem dealing with people. She would just as soon tell you how she feels about you as to look at you. I think I set a rather good example for her, tyvm.

 

[mAlice]

PS I'm glad you have no intention of becoming a teacher.

 

[SmallTown]

Now, if it were my child he did that to, we would have been fighting right there on the spot.

perfect role model!

 

[meme]

perfect role model!

Why thank you very much, I try to be.

No really, I wouldn't actually start beating the crap out of him, but I would confront him right then and there. Now if he put his hands on my kid...that's another story. (I would at least drag his arse out into the hall and close the classroom door.) :

 

[remaxrealtor]

PS I'm glad you have no intention of becoming a teacher.

You are quite self absorbed aren't you? I am making broad statements about parenting and its effect on the future of their children. I don't know you, therefore I am not assuming anything about you. I am speaking of circumstances in general in society today, which is why we have so many kids threating their parents with a phone call to the authorities whenever they are disciplined. And, before you climb back up on that giant stallion of yours, I am not saying that YOUR kid ever did that, it's a generalization, get it?

 

[mAlice]

You are quite self absorbed aren't you? I am making broad statements about parenting and its effect on the future of their children. I don't know you, therefore I am not assuming anything about you. I am speaking of circumstances in general in society today, which is why we have so many kids threating their parents with a phone call to the authorities whenever they are disciplined. And, before you climb back up on that giant stallion of yours, I am not saying that YOUR kid ever did that, it's a generalization, get it?

No, I am not self absorbed. I've just experienced too many people who call themselves teachers and have no business around children, much less instructing a classroom. If you've had better experiences, pat yourself on the back and count your blessings. I'm quite aware of society's failures in child rearing, I see them every day.

We were in fact discussing my child and you alluded to the fact that my child may have been at fault in this situation and 'acted out'. I simply attempted to clarify the situation for you.

Why are you so defensive?

 

[remaxrealtor]

No, I am not self absorbed. I've just experienced too many people who call themselves teachers and have no business around children, much less instructing a classroom. If you've had better experiences, pat yourself on the back and count your blessings. I'm quite aware of society's failures in child rearing, I see them every day.

We were in fact discussing my child and you alluded to the fact that my child may have been at fault in this situation and 'acted out'. I simply attempted to clarify the situation for you.

Why are you so defensive?

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Originally Posted by remaxrealtor
Many of the rules kids are supposed to folllow are there to protect yhem and keep them safe. If a kid wanders off, they may never be seen again...I'd much rather have my kid get yelled at and scared a little so they don't wander off again. Sometimes being all gentle and respectful to them doesn't maje an impact.

your response:
No sh!t? We're talking about a teacher who has yelled at her students from day one, and a parent who gave that teacher the benefit of the doubt and told her own child that she was blowing things out of proportion. The teacher should have been paying more attention and she wouldn't have had to try to cover her ass because the child did something she wasn't aware of.


I'm having some difficulty with who exactly is defensive here. I made a generalization about kids and rules, you are the one who felt it necessary to jump in on the defense. I'm very interested in different ideas and opinions, but can't stand the stupidity of people who wrap everything around their limited experiences. Good or bad, right or wrong on the teacher's part, if a kid ends up disappearing because they took it upon themselves to wander off, all that really matters is the fact that a child's safety has been jeopardized. You have no control over each and every adult a child will come in contact with. It's up to parents to teach their kids how to behave to ensure that they will make the right choices.

 

[crenchy]

, then the teacher was correct in embarrasing that child. If it's done in front of his/her peers then that child won't commit the same offense again.

We saw how well belittling others worked at Columbine.

 

[crenchy]

Respect.

I think it's more like you teach fear. Listen to me or get beaten or humiliated!

Where does respect come into play?

 

[renegadeslave]

Ignate.... Take 5 minutes and read my post's! Jerk Wad!

I did read your posts. Seems to me you were mostly talking about what parents need to do. But you're right, I should have asked you exactly what you meant by "interesting topic shift" before I made my comment. From here, it looks like you were making fun of the fact that I wanted to have better field trips than the one mentioned in the post.

And I'll get my head out of my butt when I'm good and ready, but thanks for the red anyway!

 

[BuddyLee]

I think it's more like you teach fear. Listen to me or get beaten or humiliated!

Where does respect come into play?

Take away the paddle. Take away the hand. Take away the voice. Hell, what are teachers left with?

 

[Bustem' Down]

I agree with that

But I don't think public humiliation is the thing to do.. ever

JMHO

Public humiliation is one of the primary tools used in basic training for the military. Works great there.

 

[morganj614]

You are quite self absorbed aren't you? I am making broad statements about parenting and its effect on the future of their children. I don't know you, therefore I am not assuming anything about you. I am speaking of circumstances in general in society today, which is why we have so many kids threating their parents with a phone call to the authorities whenever they are disciplined. And, before you climb back up on that giant stallion of yours, I am not saying that YOUR kid ever did that, it's a generalization, get it?

Giving examples of what happened is self absorbed? These people, like myself,have kids that went to school here and have experienced certain behaviors. It doesn't just happen here, they are only sharing their St. Mary's Co. stories. Sheesh.

Elaine? You have a horse?

 

[virgovictoria]

Towards the last couple of pages, I started to skim, so I apologize if I've missed anything and am ignorant in my post. It seems to me that in addition to educating our children, we want our teachers to discipline. But, we don't want them to do it in a fashion that we don't approve of. We feel that it is our job to raise our children, yet feel that some form of public humiliation will put them in their place while we are not around. In turn, we don't want the same teachers to teach them about reproduction or sex or other delicate matters, because we feel it our jobs. But, somehow, our educators seem to get caught in providing that information whether they personally would have their own children sit through it. And if I'm correct, in that situation, parents do sign a consent form. Maybe those of you who feel that public humiliation as a means of correcting your child's behavior is okay, should sign a consent form??? I mean, if we're asking educators to take on the roles of part-time parents, in addition to just that, educating our children, then I suppose it would be up to us to set our boundaries.

Personally, involvement is the answer. Bullying a bully may nip it in the bud - be it if the bully is the child - OR the teacher (in Elaine's case). I am strongly, STRONGLY against humiliating a child with possible emotional or physical problems, if the problem was indeed a bladder control issue. Again, involvement, finding the answer, is the answer, in my opinion.

Blaming bad parents or bad teachers doesn't solve the problem of angry, maladjusted kids or unwanted pregnancies, STDs or horrible disrespect and lack of value and morals. Intervention, involvement, action and care does. Be aware and don't expect someone to do the job for you, for your role. If it something you're going to allow them to participate in doing, make sure you're on the same page.

My opinion.