When is it going to stop

LightRoasted

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If I may ...

Something has been gnawing at me for a while and here is as good a spot as any.

We’re barraged with the notion that it is not “democracy” if a bill is thwarted while it does get 50% plus one vote. The filibuster yes, but elsewhere as well. That somehow democracy is only happening if a majority however THIN passes something.

It’s democracy when the people choose, and not monarchs or oligarchs or dictators. There’s no requirement for something to be democratic by a tiny sliver of a majority.

I know from decades of experience that if you, say, have to get 25 co-workers to pick a restaurant and the vote goes 13-12 - and it is hotly contested - what you GET is 13 people going and all or some of the others not going. When it’s an issue where there is huge disagreement - single vote majorities aren’t going to resolve anything.

We have a deliberative body so that solutions amenable to both sides can happen. They don’t. We get very little bipartisan bills (and I mean bipartisan in the sense of more than just a few people). And that needn’t be.
A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, that does not protect, and instead, interferes, circumvents, subverts, restricts, bans, and licences, the rights, freedoms, liberties of the individual.
 

PJay

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@LightRoasted ..you know more about this stuff than I do..subject is being talked about elsewhere as if a reveal of the truth will be coming. Have been researching so much stuff, this one haven't time for. It was mentioned gold was in building 7? And, there being video/proof it was taken/stolen? Know anything about that?
 

LightRoasted

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@LightRoasted ..you know more about this stuff than I do..subject is being talked about elsewhere as if a reveal of the truth will be coming. Have been researching so much stuff, this one haven't time for. It was mentioned gold was in building 7? And, there being video/proof it was taken/stolen? Know anything about that?
Pretty sure any thing of value was taken in the cover of darkness well before the event. Any records were/have been destroyed, or conveniently lost. I know there are bullion vaults in certain buildings. If stored in building 7's lower levels, or even in the towers lower levels, which I think was the case, would not have been left to be buried.
 

PeoplesElbow

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And yet you, and others, conveniently ignore other possible theories that do not support the "official" narrative and what your own eyes can see.
I had recently gotten my MSME and was on official travel to San Diego, first time I was completely alone in my job. I flew out on Sept 9th from Dulles. Was my first cross country flight, had a dream the night before about a terrorist attack in the airport. There is more validity to my dream than most of these conspiracy videos.

I knew the mode of collapse before the 2nd tower fell. The official report only reaffirmed my lines of thought on how the building collapsed. I was in California with nothing to do, no cell phone, no internet just the cable in the hotel.
 

Gilligan

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And yet you, and others, conveniently ignore other possible theories that do not support the "official" narrative and what your own eyes can see.
And you are making gross assumptions that are entirely wrong. ;-) But carry on...I'm sure things are different in that world you've created for yourself.
 

SamSpade

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And you are making gross assumptions that are entirely wrong. ;-) But carry on...I'm sure things are different in that world you've created for yourself.

The nature of conspiracy theories is never actual hard evidence, but the suspicious LACK of evidence. Added with wild conjecture and you have this whole world of ideas where the theorist can stand atop and declare himself the king of truth.

I don't pay much heed. Got a conjecture? PROVE it. I've seen a million theories saying a plane didn't hit the Pentagon - but my Dad WATCHED IT HAPPEN. (He had the weirdest luck - he decided one time to take a different bridge home one day, and was an eyewitness to the Air Florida crash in DC, years ago). Good theory is backed by proof - bad conjectures are supported by LACK of proof.
 

Gilligan

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The nature of conspiracy theories is never actual hard evidence, Good theory is backed by proof - bad conjectures are supported by LACK of proof.
You and I and other rational, critical-thinking, people know that. But there have always been some whose entire being is sustained by bizarre explanations for events that are created from whole cloth.

An interesting fact ....there is never any final resolution or proof that lays the fake theories to rest. They live forever..like that stupid search for "treasure" on Oak Islnd.
 

PeoplesElbow

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The nature of conspiracy theories is never actual hard evidence, but the suspicious LACK of evidence. Added with wild conjecture and you have this whole world of ideas where the theorist can stand atop and declare himself the king of truth.

I don't pay much heed. Got a conjecture? PROVE it. I've seen a million theories saying a plane didn't hit the Pentagon - but my Dad WATCHED IT HAPPEN. (He had the weirdest luck - he decided one time to take a different bridge home one day, and was an eyewitness to the Air Florida crash in DC, years ago). Good theory is backed by proof - bad conjectures are supported by LACK of proof.
My cousin was also there, his company had just arrived that morning to work on the landscaping.
 

SamSpade

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You and I and other rational, critical-thinking, people know that. But there have always been some whose entire being is sustained by bizarre explanations for events that are created from whole cloth.

An interesting fact ....there is never any final resolution or proof that lays the fake theories to rest. They live forever..like that stupid search for "treasure" on Oak Islnd.
That's the problem with conspiracy theories - the only way to "disprove" them is to shore up what IS known. Because you can't really disprove something which never is backed by actual facts.
 

LightRoasted

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And you are making gross assumptions that are entirely wrong. ;-) But carry on...I'm sure things are different in that world you've created for yourself.
Oh wise mechanical engineer sage, please do tell how building 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at free fall speed starting at its center without the "massive kerosene, jet fuel" fire that the tower's had.
 

Gilligan

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Oh wise mechanical engineer sage, please do tell how building 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at free fall speed starting at its center without the "massive kerosene, jet fuel" fire that the tower's had.
Easy. Hundreds of well-placed explosive charges, timed to go off a certain amount of time after the planes hit the towers. The choreography is mind-blowingly impressive.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Easy. Hundreds of well-placed explosive charges, timed to go off a certain amount of time after the planes hit the towers. The choreography is mind-blowingly impressive.
All it took was an evil genius and an army of coconspirators that can keep a secret.
 
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